Personally, I flatly refuse to engage professionally with chemtraillers. You'll get nowhere. I just block them.
You can direct people to a debunk website and say you'll block them if they contact you again. Personally, I get on with many of them fine. I'll happily chat to them socially at conferences and stuff. A On 13 Nov 2017 13:16, "Douglas MacMartin" <[email protected]> wrote: > I don’t know if this was a good idea or not to respond bluntly to Dane. > The right answer is probably to just delete all of the garbage emails, > since responding generally only brings more. Though my inbox is kind of > filled with crap from these folks anyway, so can’t get worse, right? I > guess some people thought that congress holding a hearing was proof that > the US government was deploying geoengineering. > > > > (Last time I interacted with Dane, he edited my emails to remove my > answers to his questions, then posted them on his website to show that I > refused to answer his questions. And he also edited out all the > hate-spewing nonsense from his own emails to make it look like he was > charming and I was a jerk. Which is why my conclusion is that he knows > full well that he’s making stuff up.) > > > > *From:* Douglas MacMartin [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2017 8:08 AM > *To:* Dane Wigington <[email protected]>; ShadowsFall1 < > [email protected]> > *Cc:* [email protected]; [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: Geoengineering > > > > Ah, Dane. You are an odd character. > > > > Anyway, you have precisely the same odds of exposing me for a climate > engineering coverup as I do of exposing you for starting world war one, and > for precisely the same reason. > > > > So, if you have any integrity left in you at all, you should actually post > this on your website this time, unlike the last time where you deliberately > removed any information from my emails that would expose you for what you > are, and blocked me from commenting on your website to correct the > information there. > > > > 1. All aircraft exhaust contains water vapour (a byproduct of > combusting hydrocarbons) and particulates. In the right conditions these > form contrails, as anyone with access to the internet can learn quickly (I > think persistent ones are about 15% of the time, if I recall right). > Anyone who thinks that high bypass ratio engines are somehow immune to this > doesn’t understand contrail formation (it’s about the same as saying red > cars don’t need gasoline). So, hypothesis #1 is that clouds are made of > water, and hypothesis #2 is that there is some vast conspiracy involving a > few hundred thousand people; I’ll let you judge for yourself which is more > likely. Further, taking pictures of contrails doesn’t prove that they > aren’t contrails any more than taking pictures of a tree proves it isn’t a > tree. So… zero evidence presented here, lets move on. > > 2. People have found contaminants in soil. Ok… and the connection > is? If you claim that anything found in soil could only have come from a > deliberate coverup and no other cause, you should apply your own logic to > acorns. I don’t know where things like barium come from, my guess would be > industrial pollution, but I don’t know. So… zero evidence presented here > (and I’m not sure what this has to do with anything else anyway), lets move > on. > > 3. There are patents and previous programs in weather modification, > which Dane has successfully found (they are all public, after all, so it > doesn’t take much research to find them). Yup, we all agree. I have no > idea if any of it still goes on in the US or not, I know China still does. > (Spraying things like silver iodide to seed clouds and make it rain, I’ve > been told it doesn’t really work.) So… nothing new here, and zero evidence > presented that this has anything to do with climate engineering. I’m not > sure what the connection is supposed to be here, or what the point of > finding these patents was supposed to be, since there’s never any > connection made with climate engineering. So lets move on… > > 4. So finally, climate engineering. The idea you appear to be > trying to connect is the idea that you could put aerosols (most likely > sulfate) into the stratosphere (say 60000 feet, where the lifetime of > aerosols is years instead of weeks) to cool the global climate. Yup, I do > research in climate models to better understand that. As do a number of > other people. It’s all publicly available on my website. Some great > papers came out last week, in fact, anyone can go read them and learn what > I do. Not obviously a good idea, but depending on what happens with > climate change, maybe it might help. And the connection with the > aforementioned weather modification is… ? Unfortunately, Dane presents > zero information on this and hopes his readers never notice. Doesn’t > comment on the fact that the low-lying clouds in weather modification > aren’t at the same altitude as contrails and sure aren’t at the altitude of > the stratosphere. Doesn’t comment on how we could get things to the > stratosphere (technically I think it is feasible, but no aircraft today can > get there and deliver a payload, so no-one needs to worry that this is even > feasible.) Doesn’t comment on the fact that contrails actually warm the > planet, and don’t persist very long (nothing in the troposphere does), so > that would be a stupid way to do climate engineering, so he must presume > we’re both covering things up and insanely stupid. I don’t know if Dane > has ever read anything on the subject of climate engineering, because you > sure wouldn’t know it from the website. Doesn’t comment on the fact that > sulfate aerosols, if some day someone ever chose to put them in the > stratosphere and figured out how to get them there, would disperse, so > wouldn’t look like a visible streak in the sky anyway, and you wouldn’t be > finding things like barium as a result, since that would be a pretty stupid > thing to use to reflect sunlight. Bottom line: Dane has never ever > produced even a logically coherent implication connecting stratospheric > aerosol climate engineering to the previous three things or to any real > program. Nor will he ever do so, because there isn’t any evidence to > produce. So I’m not sure what there is to debunk here; this is about like > asking Dane to debunk the claim that he started world war one. Claiming > that the existence of weather modification back to the 60s “proves” that > people are currently putting aerosols into the stratosphere is about like > pointing out that sneezing has been going on for thousands of years, > therefore people are deliberately putting sulfate into the stratosphere. > Huh? How, exactly, does one make that leap of logic? Other than both of > them involving the atmosphere? (As I pointed out to one person, sneezing > might even be more closely related, because at least it involves > aerosols…) I can’t debunk anything here because there isn’t anything to > debunk. > > > > Dane, you know you don’t need to keep the charade up with me, since I > already caught you lying the last time we interacted. The question I have > for you is, what’s in it for you? Is this about your ego? Are you making > money off of this somehow? Do you think it’s just a giant colossal joke > you’re having, like the people who made the crop circles in England? The > people who read your website think you’ve done research and haven’t noticed > that you haven’t actually put together a logically coherent train of > thought. If I accuse you of starting world war one, everyone knows I’m > being silly, but when you accuse me and my friends of crimes, there’s at > least a handful of people who aren’t able to evaluate the evidence for > themselves and actually trust that you are a reputable source of > information. Some fraction of the people who read your website are > wonderful well-meaning people who care deeply about the planet. But some > of them are the most vile hate-spewing people I’ve ever encountered in my > life, and I know people who have received credible death threats. So you > might think this is all fun and games, but eventually someone will get > hurt; you need to start taking responsibility for your actions. > > > > doug > > > > *From:* Dane Wigington [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] > *Sent:* Sunday, November 12, 2017 9:28 PM > *To:* ShadowsFall1 <[email protected]> > *Cc:* [email protected]; [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Geoengineering > > > > Yes, Brian, Mr. MacMartin (MacMynowski) will yet be exposed for his part > in the criminal climate engineering coverup, wait and see. > > On Nov 12, 2017, at 3:43 PM, ShadowsFall1 <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Mr. McMartin, > > > > I recently witnessed your testimony during the November 8th, 2017, > hearing of the US House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, with > regard to geoengineering & solar radiation management programs. For some > strange reason, all participants seemed to be under the assumption that > solar radiation management has not been underway for decades. Yet > government documents, lab tests from around the world, and video footage > prove that jet aircraft have been spraying our skies with toxic heavy metal > particulates for many years. > > > > During the hearing, you make the following statement: > > > > *"there is still considerable uncertainty as to the side effects and risks > [of geoengineering] that will require focused, goal-oriented research that > could take decades"* > > > > Yes Mr. McMartin, you are correct on this point, without question. > Unfortunately, such research has already occurred in the sense that we have > all been used as lab rats, as these programs have persisted for at least > two generations already. The results have been catastrophic, with > neurodegenerative diseases (among many other illnesses) soaring off the > charts. > > > > Significant peer-reviewed literature already exists proving that aluminum > (the primary element named in geoengineering patents) causes demyelination > of the central nervous system, resulting in neurodegenerative diseases such > as Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, ALS, multiple sclerosis, and others. Your > actions are allowing these diseases to be forced upon populations of the > world. Their blood is on your hands. The blood of your own children, > family, and loved ones will also be on your hands as you watch their health > deteriorate along with your own. Ask yourself if playing your part in this > theatrical performance is worth such an outcome. > > > > The following documentary, in the first five minutes alone, contains > enough evidence to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt these programs have > already been deployed for some time: https://www.youtube.com/ > watch?v=JZfEiiKTTbw > > > > When the masses fully awaken to the damage that has been done to their > planet and health without their knowledge or consent, they will rout out > those responsible. You will be among them. You will be tried as an > accomplice to crimes against humanity. > > > > If you do not change course and choose to admit these programs are real > and ongoing, you will either go down with the rest of us as Earth's life > support systems fail, or you will be held accountable once this issue gets > exposed. Neither outcome suits you. Choose wisely. > > > > Brian > > > > > > Sent with ProtonMail <https://protonmail.com/> Secure Email. > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "geoengineering" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
