I don't understand your first question. And no, Reviewer 2 doesn't do any background research / verification. It would be dumb to lie about it.
Andrew On Mon, 2 Jan 2023, 19:14 Russell Seitz, <russellse...@gmail.com> wrote: > Technically, there's no there there, and their podcast performance makes > one doubt the intellectual seriousness of their investors > > As a matter of due diligence , have you contacted the VC's whose > allegiance Make Sunsets claims ? > > On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 12:24:55 PM UTC-5 Andrew Lockley wrote: > >> Could you please clarify how you think I've been "punked"? I interviewed >> the founders for 2h, they weren't chatbots. >> https://open.spotify.com/episode/2Fr15fdX20qyyfVX8VCF3Q?si=5Hq3ikM2QS6MVilqYvPZig >> >> I don't think using AI to create content is irresponsible, provided it's >> checked for accuracy. >> >> Andrew >> >> On Mon, 2 Jan 2023, 17:09 Russell Seitz, <russel...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Has Andrew Lockley been punked along with James Temple? >>> >>> *Legal Planet '* s sober fisking of Make Sunsets failed to notice its >>> executives most interesting potential liability defense — the ChatGPT >>> AI did it ! >>> >>> Iseman & Song's offering website ran the following >>> >>> *Author's note: 99% of this blog post and title was written using the >>> help of ChatGPT <https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt/> and the hero image was >>> generated using DreamStudio <https://beta.dreamstudio.ai/dream>. The title >>> was generated based off the content of the blog post.* >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 11:34:05 AM UTC-5 Chris Vivian wrote: >>> >>>> Edward Parson has posted a commentary on Legal Planet about the Make >>>> Sunsets concept - see - A Dangerous Disruption - Legal Planet >>>> (legal-planet.org) >>>> <https://legal-planet.org/2023/01/02/a-dangerous-disruption/> >>>> >>>> Chris. >>>> >>>> On Sunday, 1 January 2023 at 02:34:52 UTC Russell Seitz wrote: >>>> >>>>> When I was at MIT, "War Surplus " stores abounded in $5 canned >>>>> hydrogen generators designed to fill radiosonde or life raft rescue >>>>> balloons. The gizmo opened with a can of sardines key to expose the >>>>> calcium hydride within to sea water, and filled the attached 1- meter >>>>> balloon in about 15 minutes. >>>>> >>>>> Whereupon, it being sunset on the 4th of July on an easterly beach >>>>> with a westerly wind, we attached a slow magnesium ribbon fuse and let it >>>>> go . it traveled some miles downwind and rose perhaps one before >>>>> exploding >>>>> with a pale flash, but no audible pop >>>>> >>>>> The current low cost balloon record seems to be held by the 22 >>>>> meter Le Ballon Air de Paris, filled with 6,000 m3 (210,000 cu ft) of >>>>> helium <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium> and terthered with a >>>>> cable winch. It can board up to 30 tourists, max total weigh >>>>> 2,500 kg (5,500 lb) whom it takes to 150 m (490 ft) above Paris. for 15 >>>>> minuteas a apsesent fare of sixteen Euros a head. >>>>> >>>>> Though hardly stratospherics, that works out to $194 a tonne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 6:18:14 AM UTC-5 alang...@gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Andrew, >>>>>> I used Hydrogen for 20 years to use for weather balloons. No problem >>>>>> , even when one exploded fir a colleague in a balloon shed ( he has the >>>>>> doors firmly closed and there was a leak , which he knew about). Probably >>>>>> millions of radiosondes were launched with hydrogen. We had a fusion lab >>>>>> where hydrogen was piped around the facility. However, in the Falklands >>>>>> they had a hydrogen making device … ( solid + water). Now that was >>>>>> dangerous. There was one hole in the ground in africa where a hydrogen >>>>>> plant as above had been sited, but using the stuff is a safe. >>>>>> obviously , if you plant a bomb nearby , little is safe ( what was >>>>>> the actual cause of the hind disaster?) >>>>>> >>>>>> i predict trains / trucks / cars will soon be using the stuff. Far >>>>>> greener than Li batteries and I think safer. Never mind the Co2 output. >>>>>> An electric car costs more to produce as regards Co2 than a small petrol >>>>>> car does ( + 70,000) miles of petrol. i should have bought an H2 car, >>>>>> but >>>>>> the problem is there are / were on 11 charging stations in the YK and 8 >>>>>> of >>>>>> them were in the M25 >>>>>> A. >>>>>> >>>>>> T --- >>>>>> Alan Gadian, UK. >>>>>> Tel: +44 / 0 775 451 9009 >>>>>> T --- >>>>>> >>>>>> On 29 Dec 2022, at 11:05, Andrew Lockley <andrew....@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Large weather balloons don't have much over pressure relative to >>>>>> volume, so venting is a challenge. Valves and pumps add weight. Hydrogen >>>>>> has ground handling risks, due to flammability (Hindenberg), and any >>>>>> leaks >>>>>> risk buoyancy loss and the canopy descending loaded. The most extreme >>>>>> scenario is that an out of control failed balloon descends into an >>>>>> enclosed >>>>>> building through an open door, skylight, or Courtyard. In windy >>>>>> conditions, >>>>>> drift into a small industrial unit is perfectly possible, through the >>>>>> roller shutter doors - which could be automatically or accidentally >>>>>> closed >>>>>> behind, trapping the balloon and its flammable payload. This could allow >>>>>> a >>>>>> loaded canopy to leak out into a fully enclosed space, with ignition >>>>>> risks. >>>>>> >>>>>> While such scenarios appear outlandish, with thousands or millions of >>>>>> launches, they become real risks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Andrew >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 29 Dec 2022, 10:19 Stephen Salter, <s.sa...@ed.ac.uk> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do not understand the bit about bursting. Control of a venting >>>>>>> valve protects the balloon and allows release at the chosen altitude. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Helium is irreplaceable and needed for super cooling. Is there a >>>>>>> reason not to use hydrogen? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stephen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Emeritus Professor of Engineering Design* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *School of Engineering* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *University of Edinburgh* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Mayfield Road* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Edinburgh EH9 3DW* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Scotland* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *0131 650 5704 or 0131 662 1180* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *YouTube Jamie Taylor Power for Change* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* geoengi...@googlegroups.com <geoengi...@googlegroups.com> *On >>>>>>> Behalf Of *Daniele Visioni >>>>>>> *Sent:* 28 December 2022 23:51 >>>>>>> *To:* lu...@lukeiseman.com >>>>>>> *Cc:* geoengineering <geoengi...@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [geo] Make Sunsets: Clarifications! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *This email was sent to you by someone outside the University.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You should only click on links or attachments if you are certain >>>>>>> that the email is genuine and the content is safe. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Luke, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will keep finding this rather murky as long as you keep being so >>>>>>> hand-wavy about your numbers and then claiming you can offset a >>>>>>> “substantial amount of warming” in your homepage. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Weather balloons have different bursting altitudes depending on 1) >>>>>>> payload 2) amount of helium used to inflate 3) material. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find an example here with a calculator down below that lets >>>>>>> you calculate max bursting height based on inflation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.highaltitudescience.com/products/near-space-balloon-1200-g >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Which balloons did you use? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How much did you inflate them? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Did you check with the producer if the mix of SO₂ and He in the >>>>>>> balloon would affect their calculations, and if so how? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The forcing we’re talking about changes depending on altitude of >>>>>>> release as well: at 19 it’s different than at 25 (and depending on your >>>>>>> definition, sometimes the tropopause is above 18km..), and above 29km >>>>>>> sulfate aerosols evaporate because temperatures are too high to form >>>>>>> liquid >>>>>>> aerosols. If the balloon doesn’t burst at the right altitude, what would >>>>>>> happen to the oxidized S is not so simple - frankly I don’t know the >>>>>>> answer >>>>>>> off the top of my head, there are a few factors that could influence >>>>>>> this. >>>>>>> Do you have studies showing what would happen there based on lack of >>>>>>> water >>>>>>> vapor and different temperature and OH levels? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you don’t - and you don’t have any tools to measure it yet - >>>>>>> maybe you should at least tone down the claims already present on your >>>>>>> website? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For some ranges of stratospheric releases of sulfate we have some >>>>>>> numbers for SAI we can be somewhat confident about - not just in term of >>>>>>> the forcing but in terms of downstream effects on the stratospheric >>>>>>> composition - but this may not be true for what you are proposing or >>>>>>> claiming you are doing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lastly, in your Twitter account you claimed in a post 2 days ago >>>>>>> that there are “supporters and scientists who believe in you”. I would >>>>>>> avoid claiming you have the support of scientists if you don’t - or show >>>>>>> proofs if you do. As far as any scientist I know is concerned they >>>>>>> don’t >>>>>>> seem particularly impressed - and your lack of clarity goes against any >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the calls for open and transparent research (not to mention inclusive >>>>>>> decision making) this community has asked in previous public statements. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Daniele >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 28 Dec 2022, at 18:09, Luke Iseman <lu...@lukeiseman.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks Andrew, Olivier, Bala, and everyone else for diving in with >>>>>>> critiques here. I'm a cofounder of Make Sunsets and want to clarify a >>>>>>> few >>>>>>> things: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Honesty: * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We have no desire to mislead anyone. If we make a mistake (which we >>>>>>> will), we'll correct it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Radiative Forcing:* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I didn't make this "gram offsets a ton" number up. It comes from >>>>>>> David Keith's research: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "a gram of aerosol in the stratosphere, delivered perhaps by >>>>>>> high-flying jets, could offset the warming effect of a ton of carbon >>>>>>> dioxide, a factor of 1 million to 1." >>>>>>> <https://keith.seas.harvard.edu/news/whats-right-temperature-earth> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and, again: "Geoengineering’s leverage is very high—one gram of >>>>>>> particles in the stratosphere prevents the warming caused by a ton of >>>>>>> carbon dioxide." >>>>>>> <https://longnow.org/seminars/02015/feb/17/patient-geoengineering/> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> By stating "offsetting the warming effect of 1 ton of carbon for 1 >>>>>>> year," I was trying to be more conservative than Professor Keith. I am >>>>>>> correcting "carbon" to read "carbon dioxide" on the cooling credit >>>>>>> description right now, and I'm adding a paragraph at the start of the >>>>>>> post >>>>>>> stating that estimates vary, but a leading researcher cites a gram >>>>>>> offsetting a ton. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For the several hundred dollars of cooling credits we've already >>>>>>> sold, I'll be providing evidence to each purchaser that I've delivered >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> least 2 grams per cooling credit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Olivier, or anyone else: I'd be happy to post something by you to >>>>>>> our blog explaining what you estimate the radiative forcing of 1g so2 >>>>>>> released at 20km altitude from in or near the tropics will be and why. I >>>>>>> will include language of your choosing explaining that you in no way >>>>>>> endorse what we are doing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I very much hope to get suggestions from this community on >>>>>>> instrumentation we should fly to improve the state of the science here. >>>>>>> Again, I'm happy to do this with disclaimers about how researchers we >>>>>>> fly >>>>>>> things for are not endorsing our efforts. Or even without revealing who >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> researchers are: we'll fly test instruments and provide data, no >>>>>>> questions >>>>>>> asked:) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Telemetry: * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My first 2 flights had no telemetry: in April, this was still in >>>>>>> self-funded science project territory. After burning some sulfur and >>>>>>> capturing the resultant gas, I placed this in a balloon. I then added >>>>>>> helium, underinflating the balloon substantially, and let it go. There >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> technically a slim possibility that neither of these balloons reached >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> stratosphere, as I acknowledged to the Technology Review reporter. I >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> add Spot trackers to my next flights. These cut out at 18km, so I'l be >>>>>>> able >>>>>>> to confirm that I achieve at least this altitude. If (and this is a big >>>>>>> if) >>>>>>> I'm able to recover the balloons, I'll have a lot more data from the >>>>>>> flight >>>>>>> computer >>>>>>> <https://www.highaltitudescience.com/collections/electronics/products/eagle-flight-computer>. >>>>>>> I will eventually switch to Swarms >>>>>>> <https://www.sparkfun.com/products/19236?utm_campaign=May%206%2C%202022&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=212205037&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9EyQOQ6C-9XuSOHa7CggOC8Pf2tEow_Fppo5pXgTHO8-7gV-aHrrYpnPcliws6Ju8j2PBAX3Tkog0oVpwk8XqWX2xo0w&utm_content=212206499&utm_source=hs_email>, >>>>>>> which should let me transmit more data regardless of balloon recovery. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Pricing: * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bala, you're totally right that this should be priced much lower. >>>>>>> We're trying to make enough with our early flights to stay in business >>>>>>> until we get meaningful traction with customers, and we plan to >>>>>>> eventually >>>>>>> drop prices to $1 per ton or less. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Reuse: * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We are not yet reusing balloons, and Andrew is correct that latex UV >>>>>>> degradation will limit our ability to do so with weather balloons. 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