I think they mentioned somewhere it was due to latitude. I didn't have time to ask them much about injection pattern in the Reviewer 2 interview. https://open.spotify.com/episode/2Fr15fdX20qyyfVX8VCF3Q?si=KMEg9KvIRFiuoTcwYUp2OQ
Andrew On Tue, 3 Jan 2023, 10:37 'Oliver Morton' via geoengineering, < [email protected]> wrote: > As Russell points out, helium is far too valuable to be used for this. As > Daniele points out, hydrogen does chemistry with alacrtity -- and thus at > very least wets the stratosphere to a degree which would seem disturbing. > In suggesting methane i think Andrew has chosen...poorly. > > And Josh has his finger on something absolutely crucial. As someone with > an interest in developing-country solar geoengineering research via my > relationship with Degrees, I think doing this work in Mexico without > seeking to involve Mexican researchers or investigation of permitting is > completely indefensible. As far as I can see, Luke has not provided an > account for why the flights were launched from Mexico rather than the US, > and in the absence of such an account it is very hard not to see this as > developed world actors choosing a developing country venue for nefarious > reasons. > > best, o > > > > > > On Monday, 2 January 2023 at 19:15:40 UTC Andrew Lockley wrote: > >> I don't understand your first question. And no, Reviewer 2 doesn't do any >> background research / verification. It would be dumb to lie about it. >> >> Andrew >> >> On Mon, 2 Jan 2023, 19:14 Russell Seitz, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Technically, there's no there there, and their podcast performance >>> makes one doubt the intellectual seriousness of their investors >>> >>> As a matter of due diligence , have you contacted the VC's whose >>> allegiance Make Sunsets claims ? >>> >>> On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 12:24:55 PM UTC-5 Andrew Lockley wrote: >>> >>>> Could you please clarify how you think I've been "punked"? I >>>> interviewed the founders for 2h, they weren't chatbots. >>>> https://open.spotify.com/episode/2Fr15fdX20qyyfVX8VCF3Q?si=5Hq3ikM2QS6MVilqYvPZig >>>> >>>> I don't think using AI to create content is irresponsible, provided >>>> it's checked for accuracy. >>>> >>>> Andrew >>>> >>>> On Mon, 2 Jan 2023, 17:09 Russell Seitz, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Has Andrew Lockley been punked along with James Temple? >>>>> >>>>> *Legal Planet '* s sober fisking of Make Sunsets failed to notice its >>>>> executives most interesting potential liability defense — the ChatGPT >>>>> AI did it ! >>>>> >>>>> Iseman & Song's offering website ran the following >>>>> >>>>> *Author's note: 99% of this blog post and title was written using the >>>>> help of ChatGPT <https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt/> and the hero image was >>>>> generated using DreamStudio <https://beta.dreamstudio.ai/dream>. The title >>>>> was generated based off the content of the blog post.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 11:34:05 AM UTC-5 Chris Vivian wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Edward Parson has posted a commentary on Legal Planet about the Make >>>>>> Sunsets concept - see - A Dangerous Disruption - Legal Planet >>>>>> (legal-planet.org) >>>>>> <https://legal-planet.org/2023/01/02/a-dangerous-disruption/> >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, 1 January 2023 at 02:34:52 UTC Russell Seitz wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> When I was at MIT, "War Surplus " stores abounded in $5 canned >>>>>>> hydrogen generators designed to fill radiosonde or life raft rescue >>>>>>> balloons. The gizmo opened with a can of sardines key to expose the >>>>>>> calcium hydride within to sea water, and filled the attached 1- meter >>>>>>> balloon in about 15 minutes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Whereupon, it being sunset on the 4th of July on an easterly beach >>>>>>> with a westerly wind, we attached a slow magnesium ribbon fuse and let >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> go . it traveled some miles downwind and rose perhaps one before >>>>>>> exploding >>>>>>> with a pale flash, but no audible pop >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The current low cost balloon record seems to be held by the 22 >>>>>>> meter Le Ballon Air de Paris, filled with 6,000 m3 (210,000 cu ft) >>>>>>> of helium <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium> and terthered >>>>>>> with a cable winch. It can board up to 30 tourists, max total >>>>>>> weigh 2,500 kg (5,500 lb) whom it takes to 150 m (490 ft) above Paris. >>>>>>> for 15 minuteas a apsesent fare of sixteen Euros a head. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Though hardly stratospherics, that works out to $194 a tonne >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 6:18:14 AM UTC-5 >>>>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Andrew, >>>>>>>> I used Hydrogen for 20 years to use for weather balloons. No >>>>>>>> problem , even when one exploded fir a colleague in a balloon shed ( >>>>>>>> he has >>>>>>>> the doors firmly closed and there was a leak , which he knew about). >>>>>>>> Probably millions of radiosondes were launched with hydrogen. We had a >>>>>>>> fusion lab where hydrogen was piped around the facility. However, in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Falklands they had a hydrogen making device … ( solid + water). Now >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> was dangerous. There was one hole in the ground in africa where a >>>>>>>> hydrogen plant as above had been sited, but using the stuff is a safe. >>>>>>>> obviously , if you plant a bomb nearby , little is safe ( what was >>>>>>>> the actual cause of the hind disaster?) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i predict trains / trucks / cars will soon be using the stuff. Far >>>>>>>> greener than Li batteries and I think safer. Never mind the Co2 >>>>>>>> output. >>>>>>>> An electric car costs more to produce as regards Co2 than a small >>>>>>>> petrol >>>>>>>> car does ( + 70,000) miles of petrol. i should have bought an H2 car, >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> the problem is there are / were on 11 charging stations in the YK and >>>>>>>> 8 of >>>>>>>> them were in the M25 >>>>>>>> A. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> T --- >>>>>>>> Alan Gadian, UK. >>>>>>>> Tel: +44 / 0 775 451 9009 >>>>>>>> T --- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 29 Dec 2022, at 11:05, Andrew Lockley <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Large weather balloons don't have much over pressure relative to >>>>>>>> volume, so venting is a challenge. Valves and pumps add weight. >>>>>>>> Hydrogen >>>>>>>> has ground handling risks, due to flammability (Hindenberg), and any >>>>>>>> leaks >>>>>>>> risk buoyancy loss and the canopy descending loaded. The most extreme >>>>>>>> scenario is that an out of control failed balloon descends into an >>>>>>>> enclosed >>>>>>>> building through an open door, skylight, or Courtyard. In windy >>>>>>>> conditions, >>>>>>>> drift into a small industrial unit is perfectly possible, through the >>>>>>>> roller shutter doors - which could be automatically or accidentally >>>>>>>> closed >>>>>>>> behind, trapping the balloon and its flammable payload. This could >>>>>>>> allow a >>>>>>>> loaded canopy to leak out into a fully enclosed space, with ignition >>>>>>>> risks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> While such scenarios appear outlandish, with thousands or millions >>>>>>>> of launches, they become real risks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Andrew >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Dec 2022, 10:19 Stephen Salter, <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I do not understand the bit about bursting. Control of a venting >>>>>>>>> valve protects the balloon and allows release at the chosen altitude. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Helium is irreplaceable and needed for super cooling. Is there a >>>>>>>>> reason not to use hydrogen? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Stephen >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Emeritus Professor of Engineering Design* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *School of Engineering* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *University of Edinburgh* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Mayfield Road* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Edinburgh EH9 3DW* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Scotland* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *0131 650 5704 or 0131 662 1180* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *YouTube Jamie Taylor Power for Change* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *On >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Daniele Visioni >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* 28 December 2022 23:51 >>>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>>>> *Cc:* geoengineering <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [geo] Make Sunsets: Clarifications! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *This email was sent to you by someone outside the University.* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You should only click on links or attachments if you are certain >>>>>>>>> that the email is genuine and the content is safe. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Luke, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will keep finding this rather murky as long as you keep being so >>>>>>>>> hand-wavy about your numbers and then claiming you can offset a >>>>>>>>> “substantial amount of warming” in your homepage. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Weather balloons have different bursting altitudes depending on 1) >>>>>>>>> payload 2) amount of helium used to inflate 3) material. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can find an example here with a calculator down below that >>>>>>>>> lets you calculate max bursting height based on inflation >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.highaltitudescience.com/products/near-space-balloon-1200-g >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Which balloons did you use? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How much did you inflate them? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Did you check with the producer if the mix of SO₂ and He in the >>>>>>>>> balloon would affect their calculations, and if so how? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The forcing we’re talking about changes depending on altitude of >>>>>>>>> release as well: at 19 it’s different than at 25 (and depending on >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> definition, sometimes the tropopause is above 18km..), and above 29km >>>>>>>>> sulfate aerosols evaporate because temperatures are too high to form >>>>>>>>> liquid >>>>>>>>> aerosols. If the balloon doesn’t burst at the right altitude, what >>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>> happen to the oxidized S is not so simple - frankly I don’t know the >>>>>>>>> answer >>>>>>>>> off the top of my head, there are a few factors that could influence >>>>>>>>> this. >>>>>>>>> Do you have studies showing what would happen there based on lack of >>>>>>>>> water >>>>>>>>> vapor and different temperature and OH levels? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you don’t - and you don’t have any tools to measure it yet - >>>>>>>>> maybe you should at least tone down the claims already present on your >>>>>>>>> website? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For some ranges of stratospheric releases of sulfate we have some >>>>>>>>> numbers for SAI we can be somewhat confident about - not just in term >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the forcing but in terms of downstream effects on the stratospheric >>>>>>>>> composition - but this may not be true for what you are proposing or >>>>>>>>> claiming you are doing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lastly, in your Twitter account you claimed in a post 2 days ago >>>>>>>>> that there are “supporters and scientists who believe in you”. I >>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>> avoid claiming you have the support of scientists if you don’t - or >>>>>>>>> show >>>>>>>>> proofs if you do. As far as any scientist I know is concerned they >>>>>>>>> don’t >>>>>>>>> seem particularly impressed - and your lack of clarity goes against >>>>>>>>> any of >>>>>>>>> the calls for open and transparent research (not to mention inclusive >>>>>>>>> decision making) this community has asked in previous public >>>>>>>>> statements. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Daniele >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 28 Dec 2022, at 18:09, Luke Iseman <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks Andrew, Olivier, Bala, and everyone else for diving in with >>>>>>>>> critiques here. I'm a cofounder of Make Sunsets and want to clarify a >>>>>>>>> few >>>>>>>>> things: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Honesty: * >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We have no desire to mislead anyone. If we make a mistake (which >>>>>>>>> we will), we'll correct it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Radiative Forcing:* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I didn't make this "gram offsets a ton" number up. It comes from >>>>>>>>> David Keith's research: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "a gram of aerosol in the stratosphere, delivered perhaps by >>>>>>>>> high-flying jets, could offset the warming effect of a ton of carbon >>>>>>>>> dioxide, a factor of 1 million to 1." >>>>>>>>> <https://keith.seas.harvard.edu/news/whats-right-temperature-earth> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and, again: "Geoengineering’s leverage is very high—one gram of >>>>>>>>> particles in the stratosphere prevents the warming caused by a ton of >>>>>>>>> carbon dioxide." >>>>>>>>> <https://longnow.org/seminars/02015/feb/17/patient-geoengineering/> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> By stating "offsetting the warming effect of 1 ton of carbon for 1 >>>>>>>>> year," I was trying to be more conservative than Professor Keith. I am >>>>>>>>> correcting "carbon" to read "carbon dioxide" on the cooling credit >>>>>>>>> description right now, and I'm adding a paragraph at the start of the >>>>>>>>> post >>>>>>>>> stating that estimates vary, but a leading researcher cites a gram >>>>>>>>> offsetting a ton. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For the several hundred dollars of cooling credits we've already >>>>>>>>> sold, I'll be providing evidence to each purchaser that I've >>>>>>>>> delivered at >>>>>>>>> least 2 grams per cooling credit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Olivier, or anyone else: I'd be happy to post something by you to >>>>>>>>> our blog explaining what you estimate the radiative forcing of 1g so2 >>>>>>>>> released at 20km altitude from in or near the tropics will be and >>>>>>>>> why. I >>>>>>>>> will include language of your choosing explaining that you in no way >>>>>>>>> endorse what we are doing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I very much hope to get suggestions from this community on >>>>>>>>> instrumentation we should fly to improve the state of the science >>>>>>>>> here. >>>>>>>>> Again, I'm happy to do this with disclaimers about how researchers we >>>>>>>>> fly >>>>>>>>> things for are not endorsing our efforts. Or even without revealing >>>>>>>>> who the >>>>>>>>> researchers are: we'll fly test instruments and provide data, no >>>>>>>>> questions >>>>>>>>> asked:) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Telemetry: * >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My first 2 flights had no telemetry: in April, this was still in >>>>>>>>> self-funded science project territory. After burning some sulfur and >>>>>>>>> capturing the resultant gas, I placed this in a balloon. I then added >>>>>>>>> helium, underinflating the balloon substantially, and let it go. >>>>>>>>> There is >>>>>>>>> technically a slim possibility that neither of these balloons reached >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> stratosphere, as I acknowledged to the Technology Review reporter. I >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> add Spot trackers to my next flights. These cut out at 18km, so I'l >>>>>>>>> be able >>>>>>>>> to confirm that I achieve at least this altitude. If (and this is a >>>>>>>>> big if) >>>>>>>>> I'm able to recover the balloons, I'll have a lot more data from the >>>>>>>>> flight >>>>>>>>> computer >>>>>>>>> <https://www.highaltitudescience.com/collections/electronics/products/eagle-flight-computer>. >>>>>>>>> I will eventually switch to Swarms >>>>>>>>> <https://www.sparkfun.com/products/19236?utm_campaign=May%206%2C%202022&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=212205037&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9EyQOQ6C-9XuSOHa7CggOC8Pf2tEow_Fppo5pXgTHO8-7gV-aHrrYpnPcliws6Ju8j2PBAX3Tkog0oVpwk8XqWX2xo0w&utm_content=212206499&utm_source=hs_email>, >>>>>>>>> which should let me transmit more data regardless of balloon recovery. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Pricing: * >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bala, you're totally right that this should be priced much lower. >>>>>>>>> We're trying to make enough with our early flights to stay in business >>>>>>>>> until we get meaningful traction with customers, and we plan to >>>>>>>>> eventually >>>>>>>>> drop prices to $1 per ton or less. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Reuse: * >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We are not yet reusing balloons, and Andrew is correct that latex >>>>>>>>> UV degradation will limit our ability to do so with weather balloons. >>>>>>>>> Given >>>>>>>>> that balloon cost is our main expense per gram, even a few uses per >>>>>>>>> balloon >>>>>>>>> will dramatically improve the economics here. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I expect to disagree with some of you, but I hope we can do so >>>>>>>>> politely and assuming good intentions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "geoengineering" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/550ec54e-4b36-4b6e-b4be-834229c870cen%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/550ec54e-4b36-4b6e-b4be-834229c870cen%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "geoengineering" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/9942AB80-E648-4DCE-8E51-B7FC7EFF1352%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/9942AB80-E648-4DCE-8E51-B7FC7EFF1352%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in >>>>>>>>> Scotland, with registration number SC005336. 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