I really think this conversation needs to move to the IRC meeting.

There are LOTS of things to say, and I can't send my emails fast enough
to keep up with the changing discussion.

3:00.  Be there or be square!

--saul

On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 14:30 -0400, Chris Holmes wrote:
> 
> Andrea Aime wrote:
> > Chris Holmes ha scritto:
> >> Ok, I'm trying to get a handle on this issue.
> >>
> >> One question, what's the objection to just using SFL4J ?
> >>
> >> It seems to meet Justin's criteria of using a standard library, it'll 
> >> work with sfl4j/jetty ;) (for Andrea), and Martin likes it a lot 
> >> better than commons logging.
> >>
> >> I imagine I just missed what the objection was, but I'm curious to 
> >> hear it.
> > 
> > sfl4j is just a facade like commons logging. Now, in Jetty by default
> > they put an implementation of the library that redirects to "simple
> > logging". Given that it's the first element in the classpath it'll
> > override whatever implementation we put in our library, meaning that
> > we would not be able to force log4j usage unless we manually change
> > the jars in the Jetty container (remember, slf4j way of doing 
> > redirections is to implement exactly the same classes in the different
> > jars and have classloading decide which one gets used).
> But GeoServer isn't relying on any log4g usage, right?  Why would we 
> want to force it?
> 
> > 
> > I guess the second problem is timing, the slf4j is different enough
> > from java logging (http://www.slf4j.org/api/org/slf4j/Logger.html) that
> > manual changes will have to be performed manually instead of using
> > a single search and replace, especially in the modules managed
> > by Martin.
> > 
> Hmmm...  Let's see what he says.
> What about GeoServer using sfl4j and geotools continue to use java 
> logging?  Would that help solve things?
> 
> Chris
> 
> > Cheers
> > Andrea
> > 
> > !DSPAM:4005,472776d522262143011171!
> > 
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