Eric Wolf schrieb: > > Additionally, this whole discussion is in my mind SO not > productive! It > makes geographers as they known before now to > paleogeographers(?!?) and > geoweb users or hackers or internet geeks (who are mostly never known > before as geographers and additionally never would call them self > geographers) to neogeographers(?!?). > > > > But this discussion is EXACTLY the point. It is an attempt to explore > the topology of Neo/Paleo and Tool Maker/Tool User.
My point is, that there is no "Neo/Paleo". > The problem with Neogeography is really nailing down what it is - and > the only way to define something (short of true ontological > categories) is to use known ideas in the definition. > Nice, but this has no impact to the naming of a definition. And If you need to have the some geography in this name, then call it webgeography, geowebography or something like that. You see what I mean? This terms are not impacting the rest of the discipline by definition. > We know that Neogeography is something new. It is an "other" to > traditional Geography and Cartography. So we need to define the other > in terms of the known. It's our only point of reference. > > What do we know so far: > > 1. Neogeography doesn't encompass the breadth of Geography and > probably isn't the best terminology. The term Paleogeography isn't > much better. d'accord! > 2. Paleogeographers may likely also be active Neogeographers. also d'accord. > 3. Paleogeographers are likely to focus on research that transcends > the medium - so the results of their research are equally applicable > to a printed atlas or a web mashup. yes shure. > 4. Neogeography involves blurring the line between tool maker and tool > user - a democratization of Cartography - but in an applied sense. > Neogeographers aren't making maps, they are making solutions to > problems that take the form of a map. > I dont have a problem with that either. > But Neogeography can be viewed as a beautiful thing. Why not? To get this clear, I consider my self as somebody who would fit the given definition of a neogeographer in some sense. (Its just the term.) > It is clearly a recognition of the significance of Geography. This can > be likened to Goodchild's argument for a GIScience as opposed to > simply GISystems. Why isn't GIS simply a specialty in Computer > Science? Because the Geographic is unique, significant, in an > ontological sense. Mostly computer scientists don't care about the use of this technology systems in the sense of applying it to spatial analysis. But the most innovations in the computergraphics or data model aspects, which are improving GISystems, are still coming out of computer science (related) sources. And what do you mean here by "the Geographic is unique, significant"? To a computer scientist, this sounds at best funny I think. > The understanding of that ontological relationship is key to > Geographic representation. The fact that these people mashing-up maps > took on the term Neo-Geographer is, in my mind, a recognition of the > complexity of Geography. And in my mind a NOT recognition of what geography is about. Once more, geography is not just map making. To make it clear: I don't have a problem with the construct which is described by the term neogeography. It is the term itself and its implication of a devide of geographers in two classes (we alfready have that we dont need more complexity of this sort I think ;-)) that makes me struggle with it. best, Christian > > -Eric > > > -- > -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- > Eric B. Wolf 720-209-6818 > USGS Geographer > Center of Excellence in GIScience > PhD Student > CU-Boulder - Geography > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Geowanking mailing list > [email protected] > http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org > _______________________________________________ Geowanking mailing list [email protected] http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org
