On Jun 15, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Rich Gibson wrote: > Ian, > > The key lesson of open geospatial data is that we don't know what creative > things people will do with open data. > > Out of respect for you I will try and soften this, but your writing 'there's > nothing you can 'do' with it to change the state of affairs' represents a > lack of cluefulness on your part.
What would you do with it? > > Rich > > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Ian White <[email protected]> wrote: > you are kidding, right? if there was ever a need for open geospatial data, > this is most definitely not it. much as it would be nice to have, there's > nothing you can 'do' with it to change the state of affairs. contrast this > with access to transit, crime, base map, environment, etc........ >> >> == >> Ian White :: Urban Mapping Inc >> 690 Fifth Street Suite 200 :: San Francisco CA 94107 >> T.415.946.8170 :: F.866.385.8266 :: urbanmapping.com/blog > > On 15 Jun 2010, at 11:15, gis pundit wrote: > >> >> This is very disturbing. If ever there was a need for open geospatial data, >> this is it. >> >> I wonder what possessed the Federal & State Agencies to agree to upload >> their only copies of the location data their responders are collecting in >> the field to a BP-controlled GIS server? >> >> If it wasn't so illegal, I'd say that BP corporate firewall was just begging >> for a few good hackers to "fix" this problem :) >> >> >> >> >-------- Original Message -------- >> >Subject: FW: Letter on BP Oil Spill GIS Appears, Disappears >> >Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 09:17:14 -0400 >> >TO: NWCG GIS Task Group >> > >> >FYI >> > >> >http://www.scientificblogging.com/chatter_box/bp_gis_and_mysterious_vanishing_open_letter >> > >> >http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/54563 >> > >> >Introduction: >> > >> >Andrew Stephens and Devon Humphrey, both Geographic Information Systems >> >(GIS) professionals with 40 years combined GIS experience, were the >> >primary architects of the GIS Unit and lab at Incident Command Post >> >(ICP) Houma. Mr. Stephens has 20 years GIS experience, teaching GIS to >> >organizations worldwide, and is an expert in GIS deployment, start-up, >> >training and workflow design. Mr. Humphrey has 20 years background in >> >Oil Spill GIS with Texas General Land Office, where he was on the >> >development team of an award-winning oil spill GIS. He has also been an >> >instructor since 1994 at the National Spill Control School at Texas A&M >> >University, Corpus Christi. The ‘Spill School’ is named in the Oil >> >Pollution Act of 1990. >> > >> >**----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------** >> >Deepwater Horizon GIS Data Concerns >> >From: Andrew Stephens and Devon Humphrey >> >Date: June 9, 2010 >> >Subject: BP control of GIS data >> > >> >To Whom It May Concern: >> > >> >Executive Summary >> > >> >This letter is being submitted to make it known that several key factors >> >of the National Incident Management System (NIMS) and Incident Command >> >Structure (ICS) are not being met in the Unified Command process of the >> >BP Deepwater Horizon Incident. Specifically regarding the treatment of >> >Geographic Information System (GIS) data, current configuration and >> >process limit, or exclude completely, the flow of information about the >> >extent and status of the disaster to government entities, emergency >> >responders, and the public. >> > >> >GIS is essential to the oil spill response effort and to the recovery of >> >public resources. Almost every map and geographic display representing >> >the Deepwater Horizon Incident is sourced by GIS data. Current GIS >> >management processes indicate that BP is treating GIS data as >> >proprietary information, and these data are currently being stored >> >behind the BP corporate firewall. It is our understanding that public >> >agencies, for example, The US Fish and Wildlife Service and The >> >Louisiana National Guard, are literally submitting the only copy of >> >agency field data, via wireless-enabled mobile GPS devices, directly to >> >a BP GIS server behind the corporate firewall in Houston. Examples of >> >these data are; dead bird and fish locations with photos, boom >> >placement, engineered construction barriers, including dates, and other >> >descriptive information and photos. >> > >> >State Emergency Operation Center (EOC) staff, Parish EOC staff, and >> >other Emergency Responders and Recovery Specialists do not have access >> >to these GIS datasets, contrary to all NIMS guidance, protocols and >> >principles. >> > >> >Per NIMS, redundancy of incident information is to be managed jointly, >> >and fully accessible by the Federal On Scene Coordinator (FOSC), the >> >State On Scene Coordinator (SOSC), and the Responsible Party. Technology >> >allows implementation of this design to occur instantaneously and >> >automatically (see attached diagram). The intent of this letter is to >> >inform The President, the National Incident Commander, the FOSC, the >> >SOSC, and the public, of the need to establish and enforce NIMS >> >compliant access policies over all Deepwater Horizon oil spill GIS data. >> > >> >The Geospatial Intelligence Officer (GIO) and the GIS Unit Leader, who >> >proposed NIMS-compliant GIS architecture to Unified Command, and >> >supported access to these GIS data, have been removed from the Houma ICP >> >by BP IT department managers. >> > >> <ATT00001..txt> > > > _______________________________________________ > Geowanking mailing list > [email protected] > http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Geowanking mailing list > [email protected] > http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org have fun, Steve Coast / stevecoast.com _______________________________________________ Geowanking mailing list [email protected] http://geowanking.org/mailman/listinfo/geowanking_geowanking.org
