Hi All,
Looks like there's much debate and plenty of interest on this topic.
WebMapSocial Silicon Valley is hosting an evening on Mapping Oceans and
Waterbodies at Google HQ on July 20th. If you or someone you know is
interested in presenting how you might or are map oceans or waterbodies, please
contact organizers Catherine Burton catherine[at]endpointenvironmental[com] or
Alec Dara-Abrams alec[at]dara-abrams[dot]com.
http://www.meetup.com/webmapsocial/calendar/13800825/
We'd love to see you live.
Thanks,
Catherine
Catherine Burton | Owner / Manager, Endpoint Environmental, LLC | Organizer,
WebMapSocial Meetup | Editor, BAAMA Journal | 474 23rd Ave., #2, San Francisco,
CA., 94121 | (415) 902-0403 | www.endpointenvironmental.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Denzer" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 10:03:40 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [Geowanking] Gulf Oil Spill Disaster GIS data locked behind
BPCorporate Firewall
Competent hacking does not an open data policy make. Access to the data
services is, of course, great. This stuff could -- and should -- have been made
available weeks ago.
The question to ask is, has BP (and/or TRG) been calling the shots with respect
to strategic vision for how the public sees data? Has Unified Command had the
appropriate vision -- unadulterated by BP's influence -- to implement an open
data strategy that improves public -- and official -- access to critical data?
Whether deliberate or not, the GulfofMexicoResponseMap.com viewer doesn't look
like an intentional open data policy to me.
Another issue is one of *meaningful* data. For those who are able to hack the
site to get data, do you see any useful attributes in those KML and KMZ files?
Do you know what the Louisiana Protection Strategy is ( KMZ )? Can you
differentiate between types of defenses (boom, tiger dams, Hesco baskets)? More
importantly, can public officials who need to see what the planned strategies
are in bayous and beaches differentiate between types of defenses?
The casual appearance of transparency is not the same as deliberate, meaningful
transparency.
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Sean Gorman < [email protected] > wrote:
Didn't get 5 clicks deeps to find the link below the fold, but fair enough
point you can query data. Good luck getting 99.9% of the world responding to a
disaster to successfully get any data out of it.
You find the map - you know enough to get back to server pages - you navigate
to the query page - you know how to write a geometry filter. How many people
are going to sort that out.
I think you need to get out more if that is the best you've seen.
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 11:45 AM, < [email protected] > wrote:
On Jun 16, 2010, at 11:28 AM, ext Sean Gorman wrote:
> IMHO an AGS mapping service is about as open as a PDF. It is a picture on a
> map - nothing more. Open and AGS should be an oxymoron. Seriously try
> getting anything out of that second link other than a picture.
Er,
http://www.gulfofmexicoresponsemap.com/ArcGIS/rest/services/MC252_Incident_Data/MapServer/6/query?text=&geometry=-180%2C+-90%2C+180%2C+90&geometryType=esriGeometryEnvelope&inSR=&spatialRel=esriSpatialRelIntersects&where=&returnGeometry=true&outSR=4326&outFields=NAME%2C+State&f=kmz
All of:
http://www.gulfofmexicoresponsemap.com/ArcGIS/rest/services/MC252_Incident_Data/MapServer/1
are queryable:
http://www.gulfofmexicoresponsemap.com/ArcGIS/rest/services/MC252_Incident_Data/MapServer/5/query
This is a far sight better than any other non-ArcGIS GIS system I've seen.
> It means none of this data can remixed reused or repurposed. Which from a
> disaster response stand point makes it of limited value.
You seem to be lost if you think you can't re-use this data. Vector KMZs with
Geometries seem pretty useful to me. If you can't re-use those, I don't know
what you *do* want.
Regards,
--
Christopher Schmidt
Nokia
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Sean P. Gorman PhD.
FortiusOne Inc.
2200 Wilson Blvd. Suite 307
Arlington VA, 22201
Mobile: 202-321-3914
Office: 703-647-2151
@seangorman
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