On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 04:49:12 +0100, Akkana Peck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

>> On 1/27/07, Steve Stavropoulos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > I chose a delay of 5 seconds, to give me time to open the menu
>> > after I selected the window to grab. But, after a while I figured out
>> > that gimp first waits for the 5 seconds to pass and then gives you the
>> > chance to select the window. That is the exact opposite of what I
>> > expected and didn't allow me to take the screenshot of the open menu I
>
> Clarence Risher writes:
>> The screenshot delay behaves exactly as I have always expected it to.
>> [ ... ]  Then again, I have often desired
>> a feature do what you propose here.  I think both options should be
>> available, in combination, in the form of two delays.
>
> In gimp 2.2, the screenshot dialog offered both options. Early on
> in 2.3, the before-selection delay disappeared leaving only the
> before-grab delay. But apparently there's been some in-fighting
> between the people who want one delay vs. the other, and in current
> CVS the winner is the before-selection delay, which unfortunately
> leaves no way of grabbing a single window while doing something in
> it (like popping up a menu). Bummer! I personally found the before-
> grab delay very useful, but never need the before-selection delay.
>
> An svn log of screenshot.c shows the sequence:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> r20867 | neo | 2006-09-17 05:21:09 -0700 (Sun, 17 Sep 2006) | 6 lines
>
> 2006-09-17  Sven Neumann  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>         * plug-ins/common/screenshot.c: reverted Bill's change. Applying
>         the delay before the selection makes as much sense as doing it
>         afterwards. Do it consistently at least.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> r20862 | weskaggs | 2006-09-15 09:11:36 -0700 (Fri, 15 Sep 2006) | 5  
> lines
>
> Bill Skaggs  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>         * plug-ins/common/screenshot.c: when shooting a region, apply  
> delay
>         _after_ selecting region, applying before is useless.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> r20121 | mitch | 2006-06-18 02:44:43 -0700 (Sun, 18 Jun 2006) | 6 lines
>
> 2006-06-18  Michael Natterer  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>         * plug-ins/common/screenshot.c: apply the delay before selecting,
>         not before grabbing, so the user has time to rearrange things.
>         Fixes bug #345214.
>
> Bugzilla isn't responding right now so I can't review bug 345214,
> but it sounds like there's a good argument for going back to offering
> both delays, like 2.2 did. There are good reasons for both.
> Sven, Bill, Mitch? Any chance of that?
>
> Meanwhile: you can still grab a menu by shooting the entire screen
> with a delay, then cropping it afterward ... arduous but better than
> nothing.  Or use 2.2. :-)
>

Yes, this sort of feature regression is regrettable. Things should work  
the same or better after an "upgrade", not become less useful.

Clearly the two functions are not the same. If Bill's workaround to the  
feature loss is deemed inconsistant then clearly it should be reverted to  
2.2 behaviour.

What was the reason for this being removed?

gg
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