On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 11:15 PM, Sergey Organov <sorga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Jake,
> Jacob Keller <jacob.kel...@gmail.com> writes:
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:39 PM, Johannes Schindelin
>> <johannes.schinde...@gmx.de> wrote:
>>> Hi Sergey,
>>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Sergey Organov wrote:
>>>> > Have a look at https://github.com/git/git/pull/447, especially the
>>>> > latest commit in there which is an early version of the deprecation I
>>>> > intend to bring about.
>>>> You shouldn't want a deprecation at all should you have re-used
>>>> --preserve-merges in the first place, and I still don't see why you
>>>> haven't.
>>> Keep repeating it, and it won't become truer.
>>> If you break formats, you break scripts. Git has *so* many users, there
>>> are very likely some who script *every* part of it.
>>> We simply cannot do that.
>>> What we can is deprecate designs which we learned on the way were not only
>>> incomplete from the get-go, but bad overall and hard (or impossible) to
>>> fix. Like --preserve-merges.
>>> Or for that matter like the design you proposed, to use --first-parent for
>>> --recreate-merges. Or to use --first-parent for some --recreate-merges,
>>> surprising users in very bad ways when it is not used (or when it is
>>> used). I get the impression that you still think it would be a good idea,
>>> even if it should be obvious that it is not.
>> If we consider the addition of new todo list elements as "user
>> breaking", then yes this change would be user-script breaking.
> It _is_ user script breaking, provided such script exists. Has anybody
> actually seen one? Not that it's wrong to be extra-cautious about it,
> just curios. Note that to be actually affected, such a script must
> invoke "git rebase -p" _command_ and then tweak its todo output to
> produce outcome.
>> Since we did not originally spell out that todo-list items are subject
>> to enhancement by addition of operations in the future, scripts are
>> likely not designed to allow addition of new elements.
> Out of curiosity, are you going to spell it now, for the new todo
> format?
>> Thus, adding recreate-merges, and deprecating preserve-merges, seems
>> to me to be the correct action to take here.
> Yes, sure, provided there is actual breakage, or at least informed
> suspicion there is one.
>> One could argue that users should have expected new todo list elements
>> to be added in the future and thus design their scripts to cope with
>> such a thing. If you can convincingly argue this, then I don't
>> necessarily see it as a complete user breaking change to fix
>> preserve-merges in order to allow it to handle re-ordering properly..
> I'd not argue this way myself. If there are out-of-git-tree non-human
> users that accept and tweak todo _generated_ by current "git rebase -p"
> _command_, I also vote for a new option.

To be fair, I have not seen anything that actually reads the todo list
and tweaks it in such a manner. The closest example is the git garden
shears script, which simply replaces the todo list.

It's certainly *possible* that such a script would exist though,


>> I think I lean towards agreeing with Johannes, and that adding
>> recreate-merges and removing preserve-merges is the better solution.
> On these grounds it is, no objections.
> -- Sergey

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