Am 07.04.2014 23:46, schrieb Ronald Weiss:
> On 6. 4. 2014 18:28, Jens Lehmann wrote:
>> Am 02.04.2014 21:56, schrieb Ronald Weiss:
>>> On 2. 4. 2014 20:53, Jens Lehmann wrote:
>>>> Am 01.04.2014 23:59, schrieb Ronald Weiss:
>>>>> On 1. 4. 2014 22:23, Jens Lehmann wrote:
>>>>>> Am 01.04.2014 01:35, schrieb Ronald Weiss:
>>>>>>> On 1. 4. 2014 0:50, Ronald Weiss wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 31. 3. 2014 23:47, Ronald Weiss wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Jens Lehmann <> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> As Junio mentioned it would be great if you could teach the add
>>>>>>>>>> command also honor the --ignore-submodule command line option in
>>>>>>>>>> a companion patch. In the course of doing so you'll easily see if
>>>>>>>>>> I was right or not, then please just order them in the most logical
>>>>>>>>>> way.
>>>>>>>>> Well, if You (or Junio) really don't want my patch without another one
>>>>>>>>> for git add, I may try to do it. However, git add does not even honor
>>>>>>>>> the submodules' ignore setting from .gitmodules (just tested with git
>>>>>>>>> 1.9.1: "git add -u" doesn't honor it, while "git commit -a" does). So
>>>>>>>>> teaching git add the --ignore-submodules switch in current state
>>>>>>>>> doesn't seem right to me. You might propose to add also support for
>>>>>>>>> the ignore setting, to make "add -u" and "commit -a" more consistent.
>>>>>>>>> That seems like a good idea, but the effort needed is getting bigger,
>>>>>>>> Well, now I actually looked at it, and it was pretty easy after all.
>>>>>>>> The changes below seem to enable support for both ignore setting in
>>>>>>>> .gitmodules, and also --ignore-submodules switch, for git add, on top
>>>>>>>> of my patch for commit.
>>>>>>> There is a catch. With the changes below, submodules are ignored by add
>>>>>>> even if explitely named on command line (eg. "git add x" does nothing
>>>>>>> if x is submodule with new commits, but with ignore=all in .gitmodules).
>>>>>>> That doesn't seem right.
>>>>>>> Any ideas, what to do about that? When exactly should such submodule be
>>>>>>> actually ignored?
>>>>>> Me thinks git add should require the '-f' option to add an ignored
>>>>>> submodule (just like it does for files) unless the user uses the
>>>>>> '--ignore-submodules=none' option. And if neither of these are given
>>>>>> it should "fail with a list of ignored files" as the documentation
>>>>>> states.
>>>>> It's still not clear, at least not to me. Should '-f' suppress the
>>>>> ignore setting of all involved submodules? That would make it a
>>>>> synonyme (or a superset) of --ignore-submodules=none. Or only if the
>>>>> submodule is explicitly named on command line? That seems fuzzy to me,
>>>>> and also more tricky to implement.
>>>> Maybe my impression that doing "add" together with "commit" would be
>>>> easy wasn't correct after all. I won't object if you try to tackle
>>>> commit first (but I have the slight suspicion that similar questions
>>>> will arise concerning the "add"ish functionality in commit too. So
>>>> maybe after resolving those things might look clearer ;-)
>>> There is one big distinction. My patch for commit doesn't add any new
>>> problems. It just adds the --ignore-submodules argument, which is easy
>>> to implement and no unclear behavior decisions are needed.
>>> You are right that when specifying ignored submodules on commit's
>>> command line, there is the same problem as with git add. However, it's
>>> already there anyway. I don't feel in position to solve it, I'd just
>>> like to have "git commit --ignore-submodules=none".
>>> With git add however, changing it to honor settings from .gitmodules
>>> would change behavior people might be used to, so I would be afraid to
>>> do that. Btw add also has the problem already, but only if somebody
>>> configures the submodule's ignore setting in .git/config, rather than
>>> .gitmodules. I don't know how much real use case that is.
>>> As I see it, there are now these rather easy possibilities (sorted
>>> from the easiest):
>>> 1) Just teach commit the --ignore-submodules argument, as I proposed.
>> 1a) Teach commit to honor ignore from .git/config.
> But commit already honors that. It honors submodule.<name>.ignore from
> both .git/config and .gitmodules. It's just add which doesn't honor it
> from .gitmodules, because cmd_add() function lacks a gitmodules_config()
> call. Or do I miss something?

No, I missed that, so please forget my comment.

>>> 2) Teach both add and commit to --ignore-submodules, but dont add that
>>> problematic gitmodules_config() in add.c.
>> Why is that problematic after add learned --ignore-submodules=none?
> First, because it changes current behaviour. Which is obviously
> inconsistent currently, however I didn't find it easy to tell what's
> the right thing to do.

I believe we should be consistent here, but the overriding of that
option is the tricky part. So we need to solve that first before we
can add gitmodules_config() to add.c.

> And second, because the "-f implies --ignore-submodules=none" proposal,
> which seems to be the easy cure for those accustomed to the current
> behavior, seems non-trivial. Below You wrote that
> --ignore-submodules=none should be implied by -f only for files
> specified on the command line. OK. And what if a directory
> containing the submodule is specified?

That should behave just like an ignored file is contained in that
directory me thinks. But I agree this is non trivial.

>>> 3) Teach both add and commit to --ignore-submodules, and also let add
>>> honor settings from .gitmodules, to make it more consistent with other
>>> commands. And, make add --force imply --ignore-submodules=none.
>>> I like both 1) and 2). I don't like 3), the problem of add with
>>> submodules' ignore setting is a bug IMHO (ignore=all in .git/config
>>> causes strange behavior, while ignore=all in .gitmodules is ignored),
>>> but not directly related to the --ignore-submodules param, and should
>>> be solved separately.
>> I think the ignore config options and --ignore-submodules parameter
>> are directly related, as you need the latter to override the former.
>> In the long run commit should honor ignore=all in .git/config for
>> unstaged submodules like add should honor the settings from the
>> .gitmodules file. But we should always add the --ignore-submodules
>> parameter first so that the user can override the configuration
>> when needed. So I see these steps:
>> 1) Teach commit the --ignore-submodules option; then make it honor
>>     ignore=all in .git/config in another commit.
>> 2) Teach add --ignore-submodules (which is implied by -f, but only
>>     for the submodules given on the command line); then make it
>>     honor the submodule.<name>.ignore option in another commit.
>> After that we'd have consistent ignore and override behavior. But
>> it looks like getting -f right is not easy, so I'd prefer having
>> 1) without 2) if the alternative is to get neither.
> OK, I will try prepare that. However I'd more like to start with two
> commits just adding the --ignore-submodules param to add and commit.
> That should be easily acceptable, as there is no risk to break
> anything, and it adds useful funcionality. Patching add first will
> avoid having to touch add.c in patch for commit, which makes it more
> clear and logical IMHO.

Good to hear that!

> Then, on top of that, I'll prepare patches for add to honor ignore
> from .gitmodules, and -f implying --ignore-submodules. That might need
> more discussion, let's see.

Makes sense.
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