On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 4:20 PM, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Had you read directly Dr. Svenmark's papers, you would
> already know he does not say "large impact".  I say
> on my own authority as a meteorologist that it is a
> limited impact.
>

If it's not a "large impact", what is the fuss about? I suppose if the
effect exists at all it would be intellectually interesting and all but so
are many other things.

I thought the point of dwelling on this work was the claim that more than
half of 20th C warming could be attributed to this effect. This is extremely
implausible under Ockham's Razor; you need to explain why the sun is acting
up just now, why on exactly the time scale and in the expected range of
amplitude of the greenhouse forcing, why the expected greenhouse effect is
not working as expected, why the cosmic ray forcing is somehow concentrating
at high latitudes (very peculiar, that) and so on.

It was very very much a long shot even before Sloan and Wolfendale showed
that it could not possibly account for the majority of the change. (
http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/1748-9326/3/2/024001/erl8_2_024001.html )

Why bring it up now? There are plenty of real issues to talk about without
dwelling on the endless supply of red herrings.  It will be very difficult
to get an alternative theory with comparable explanatory power to the one we
already have. Why? Well, sometimes, you know, science actually gets results.

mt

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