Check the website - http://www.earthandocean.robertellison.com.au/index.html
This is the fallacy of shifting ground. First of all the sun doesn't change. When I show that latest thinking is that UV changes and this translates into a surface influence through the quasi biennial oscillation to ENSO - that's the theory anyway. Then the ground shifts to a straw man argument about hypothetical flucuations leaving no trace. Regardless of the underlying mechanisms - ENSO of course leaves behind evidence nearly all over the planet going back 11,000 years in one proxy record. Physical evidence - not theory or computing - is the main science game. That's in the title of the review article on the website. I haven't discarded anything - just said look here is some peer reviewed science and generally available information that suggests that upwelling in the eastern Pacific causes long term changes in SST and therefore cloud. The evidence in surface observations and modeling support this. The satellite data show that cloud cover change is the dominant cause of climate change in the satellite era. You imply that no other influence but greenhouse gases causes climate change - but that is just a silly comment. Read for instance the section on internal climate variability in the recent Royal Society. You should be more specific and reference literature - otherwise you waste everyones time. Robert On Jan 19, 5:24 am, Per Edman <[email protected]> wrote: > You already quoted Lean. > > I'll bite. How does this quasi-biennialexplanation solve the conundrum that > no other known change has had any effect at all on climate? > > You realize of course that it would be quite difficult to actually prove > past fluctuations in something that leaves no trace on terrestrial proxies, > which makes it sort of suspect to use such hypothetical fluctuations as a > basis for discarding data from existing proxies. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Global Change ("globalchange") newsgroup. Global Change is a public, moderated venue for discussion of science, technology, economics and policy dimensions of global environmental change. Posts will be admitted to the list if and only if any moderator finds the submission to be constructive and/or interesting, on topic, and not gratuitously rude. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/globalchange
