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What a great idea! Gene from IL Vern Hendershott wrote: > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- > > You are on the right track here. It should be a simple matter to do an STC > to lower the Maximum Gross Weight to 1232 lbs. The key to value and > flexibility would be to do the same thing they did on the B-747 to meet > Stage 2 and Stage 3 noise requirements. They made a simple placard that > could be turned over that said something like this aircraft is a Stage 2 > aircraft with the higher MGTW limits and on the back it said this aircraft > is a Stage 3 aircraft with the lower MGTW limits. At airports that required > Stage 3 compliance the placard was turned to Stage 3 and the limitations > were followed by the Flight Crew. Where Stage 2 was permitted it was turned > again and the higher limits used. > > In General Aviation we have had similar situations for many years with > aircraft certified in Normal Category at higher Maximum Gross Weights for > day to day use, say you want to load all the seats and carry a lot of fuel > for a trip. Then the next flight you want to do some instruction and take > some spin training. You look in the POH and find that this aircraft is > approved for spins in the Utility Category which will have a lower Maximum > Gross Weight and in some cases a restricted CG envelope. The example I can > think of is the Bonanza and I think the Cessna 172 also has this provision. > In any case if we get a STC that permits the aircraft to be operated at the > lower Maximum Gross Weight and that makes the aircraft compliant with the > requirements of the Sport Pilot program we should be able to fly it with > the Sport Pilot Certificate. When we happen to have a current medical or if > we have a partner who does then the aircraft can be flown at 1260 or 1400 > pounds as it would be normally. > > This is a job for the EOC to work on with the EAA and the other breed clubs > that will have similar needs. We all need to first encourage the EOC to > make a best efforts move to work this problem to all of our best advantage > and then we can all write in full support of the program and the solution > that EOC comes up with. > > Yes many Coupes are heavy and will be single place aircraft with much fuel > but flying solo beats watching from the ramp. > > Best regards, > Vern > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > .net To: Coupers Tech <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: > 02/02/02 Subject: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Sport Pilot rules > 10:52 AM > Please > respond to > hbeil > > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any > advice in this forum.]---- > > There is one more way to register the Ercoupes under the new light-sport > aircraft category: work out a new Type certificate for Ercoupes. > > Remember the increase of the gross weight with the 415-D was mainly an > attempt to fit into the new (to that day) NORMAL category. So why not in > order to register under a new category work on a new type > certificate.... > > This Certificate would acommodate the following: > 1. Reduce permissable Gross Weight to 1226 pounds. That will in return > 2. bring down the stall speed (power off ) to aprox. 45MPH (39kts) 3. If > maximum operating speed means Vne then this has can be accomplished with > a new stop for the elevator down movement. Down from 144 MPH (125kts) to > 133 MPH (115kts) . If this speed just means max Cruising speed then I > would not know many Ercoupes being capable to cruise that fast anyway. > > So how would you compensate the reduced weight limit (34 pounds less )? > 1. put a Continental A-65 in (saves 10 to 20 pounds) - no worries you > won't fly much slower 2. remove all Gyros and other non Day-VFR > instruments (remeber Port Pilot - Day VFR only - saves 10 to 20 pounds) > and reduces drag if a ventury was used 3. Don't fill up the tanks to the > neck ( I remember when flying with my instructor in tthe Tomahawk we > regularily flew the first hour illegal overweight) OR 4. Fly alone, > which most of us do anyway. > > >From my experience on dealing with the burocrats I know they won't > change an already written proposal, they might do exeptions, but you are > not convincing them on raising the weight limit AND the Stall Speed AND > the maximum Speed. A much better fit would be a new Type certificate. > One would still own a 415-C or D or E or even Alon, it would be just > registered as a light-sport aircraft with new limitations. > > Here the exerpt of the key items again: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------- > > Certification of light-sport aircraft > Light-sport aircraft are small, simple-to-operate, low-performance > aircraft. The FAA is proposing to limit these aircraft to a maximum of 2 > occupants, a 1,232-lb. (560 kg.) takeoff weight, a 39-knot stall speed, > a 115-knot maximum operating speed, a single engine, and fixed landing > gear. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------- > > Although the Ercoupe is very close to all data it matches only half of > the required items besides being small and simple to operate. Two seats, > one engine and fixed landing gear. One more thought on weight though: > The last time someone put N3330H on the scale one could record the > following: The weight data showed 1055 pounds filled up to the neck, > that would leave me less than 200 pounds to play within the light-sport > category. And this is an Ercoupe with no fancy stuff in it, no Gyros, > just two small Terras and a Transponder. I would think a lot of our > Coupes would need some weight removal actions befor they ould be able to > lift ONE pilot legaly in this new category. > > Just my two pennies into this discussion. > > Hartmut > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following > > any advice in this forum.]---- > > > > No, Wayne, I'm sure they won't bend the rules for us or make any > > special dispensations. What they might do is alter the limits > > somewhat if enough of us comment on the NPRM. We should say lots of > > positive things about the proposal and then suggest that the gross > weight > > limitation be changed to 1275 > > lbs in order to include the 1260 lb gross Ercoupes, which are very > safe to > > fly. It's sure worth a > > try. EAA thinks we can do it if we all get behind it. > > Syd > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before > > > following any > > advice in this forum.]---- > > > > > > I guess this is no news, but I've just been reading the proposed > > > "Sport Pilot" rules and it looks like the proposed rules will not > > > apply to Ercoupers because our gross weight is 28 or 168 pounds over > > > > the 1232 pound limit for > > > Sport Pilot planes. That means we have to sell our beloved coupe > and > > > find an > > > old J-3 or Champ at 2 or 3 times the cost. My questions is this: > Does > > > anyone see any provision in the proposed rule that would allow > > > exceptions. > > > For instance - could a "Sport Pilot" get some sort of special > > > dispensation > > > which says "I agree to abide by all the "Sport Pilot" rules, fly > only > > > for > > > recreational purposes, not fly at night, not fly in certain > airspace, > > > etc..etc.." Then can I please fly my own coupe, N3544H, instead of > the > > > J-3, > > > which I can't afford anyway? Does anyone see any possibility of > this > > > kind of > > > FAA ruling? Just maybe I wouldn't be so ready to sell my coupe > because > > > of > > > loss of my medical if that were possible. Wayne Hannah N3544H > > > > > > ==^================================================================ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aVxiLm.aVzvvT Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^================================================================
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