James Starlight wrote:
Justin,

It was a huge bilayer replacement on the magnitude comparable with the protein size. In more detailes both of the lipid leflets moved to the top and bottom side of the pb. The protein were placed on the old place ( due to the posres) so it turned out isolated from membrane :)



If the bilayer is splitting across periodic boundaries (I'm assuming that's what you mean by "pb"), then it's more likely that you placed the components of your system in an inconvenient way than it is that something is actually wrong.

Also I've found that I could use simulated annealing to slowly warm the system under /NPT/ conditions

So in this case could I skip the nvt phase and do this mod NPT equilibration ?


Prepare the system in whatever manner is defensible and sensible. Normally one deals with temperature before pressure for stability issues. If you have found a justifiable protocol that leads to a stable simulation, use it.

-Justin


also I've create posres for the lipid on Z direction only. I hopes this helps prevent such bilayer diffusion.

James

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    James Starlight wrote:

        Justin,

        What temperature for NVT phase should be in

        gen_temp    = 323

        Does this parameere must be equal to the ref_t ?

        I've obtain strange results after NVT with
ref_t = 297 297 297 for protein in DMPC bilayer.


    You should generate velocities for the temperature you wish to use.
     Otherwise, equilibration will take longer than necessary.  At
    worst, it may crash if your system is far from equilibrium as the
    temperature coupling algorithm may fail.


        The bilayer with water parts diffused in up and down direction
        of the box relative protein
        Why this should occur ? Might I alpy posres for lipid in NVT phase ?


    Given that I know nothing about the magnitude of such motion, I
    can't really say.  If there are severe distortions or displacements,
    restraining headgroup atoms may be necessary for the initial phases
    of equilibration.  Usually such restraints should not be necessary
    for most well-built systems.

    -Justin

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           James Starlight wrote:

               Thanks Justin

               I'll try to do that things.

               Some addition questions

               1) About nvt and apt equilibration

               As I understood ref_t of the system  must be equal to
               temperature of the phase transition of the specific LIPID.
               But in the npt and nvt.mdp files there are severl enties for
               ref_t ( for some system groups in index.ndx )
               For my system composed of protein dmpc and water :

                  ref_t   = 323     297    323            ;

               Does all this values in mdp file must be equal ( to the
               temperature of the lipid  phase transition)
               ref_t   = 297     297    297
                or each value must correspond to the temperature of phase
               transition of the individual element ?
                  ref_t   = 323     297    323            ;

               Does thic correct for both NPT and NVT ensembles ?


           It is incorrect to set different groups at different
        temperatures.
            Whatever result you obtain would be completely unrealistic.

           -Justin


               James

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                  James Starlight wrote:

                      Justin,

                      Could you tell me what difference in inflategro
        parameters (
                      cut-off for lipid removing and scaling factors)
        should I make
                      for insertion protein in another bilayes in
        comparison tu
               tutorial ?


                  I've never made any changes; it's always worked just fine.


                      Now I'm working with DMPC. I've inserted
        symmetrical alpha
                      helices protein in this bilayer but inflategro
        deleate 2
               lipid
                      from upper and just 1  from lower layer. It's strange
               because I
                      suppose that equal bilayer molecules would be
        removed :o


                  The number of lipids that are removed will depend on
        the starting
                  configuration of the membrane and thus where lipids are
               relative to
                  the protein. Theoretically, a symmetrical protein should
               delete an
                  equal number of lipids from each leaflet, if the
        geometry of
               the top
                  and bottom leaflets is comparable.  Either try placing the
               protein
                  at a different location to achieve equivalent removal
        or manually
                  delete a lipid and be sure to equilibrate adequately.



                      On Inflategro's sites I havenot found such
        specifity for
               above
                      parameters for different bilayers :(


                  The cutoffs specified are simple grid search
        parameters.  They do
                  not necessarily need to be altered depending upon the
        lipid type.


                  -Justin

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