On Wed, 2004-01-28 at 10:56, Bruce Dawson wrote: > On Wed, 2004-01-28 at 10:21, Rob Lembree wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-01-28 at 10:06, Bruce Dawson wrote: > > > On Wed, 2004-01-28 at 08:26, Ed Lawson wrote: > > > > On 27 Jan 2004 22:13:06 -0500 > > > > Bruce Dawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I'd like to suggest that the groups have created a comfortable > > > > > structure and that they feel they don't need Quarterly "global" > > > > > meetings anymore. But that they do like (or don't care about) the > > > > > infrastructure that GNHLUG set up, and might continue to use it - > > > > > especially when one finds a "big name" to come speak. Sorta like BLU, > > > > > SwANH, and GNSEG do with GNHLUG. > > > > > > > > I suppose I should keep quiet because I have not helped out as I should > > > > and the current state is the result of people like me not doing anything > > > > to help GNHLUG and Centralug grow. However, talk is cheap. > > > > > > Good. You're not keeping quiet! Talk may be cheap, but it "gets the > > > juices going". > > > > > > I believe you have your gripes with the group - considering all the > > > "waffling" we've done on the "formalization" of the group. Which is > > > something I'm not opposed to, but I am opposed to asking for fees from > > > "members" to support the "formalization". > > We have the paperwork complete, and I am willing to donate the > > $25 filing fee -- but I haven't done it yet because I've seen > > a complete vacuum in people coming forward to help do things > > with the group. > > Thanks for donating the fee - I never knew what was going on with that > because no one bothered to post a message to the -org list.
I've sat on it because while I still think it's the right thing to do, I haven't been able to invigorate the group to make it a complete picture. > Hmm. Maybe the real problem is lack of appropriate communications > instead of member apathy. I've often wondered about this - to the point > of wondering if I forgot to say something. > > What things need doing? > > > Case in point: I'm now doing the public library project all > > by myself, because it's something I believe it, and because > > nobody stepped forward to help out. I'm now afraid that if > > I act as a leader, I'll end up doing all the work. > > I think you're doing the right thing - then advertise the effort to the > GNHLUG group. Sure, solicit help, (which you did), and it'll come if > there's sufficient interest. > > If enough good things are done in the name of GNHLUG, then people will > start coming again. But we need to be careful that we don't overwhelm > ourselves with work. Well, ya, the core group can't do all the work, and by and large, that's what we've done for quite a while now. > > The reason for formalizing was not to collect dues, it was to > > give a tax beneficial structure for an active group to do some > > good things for the community and our members. But if we're > > not doing anything, or if only a few people are doing things, > > it just doesn't make sense. > > I know that was the reason. But frequently, the financial tail ends up > wagging the dog, and I want to avoid that. If the fees and dues required > of the formalization require us to start asking for membership fees, > then I just want to avoid that. Agreed. > > > Seems to me, we just need someone to "take charge" and do it - if we > > > don't like it, then we can leave. Sorta like what maddog did back in the > > > early days - when things were exciting. > > Do what? I wanted us to get out and do some good things for Linux > > and ourselves, but failed to get anyone to help out. Sigh. See > > what I mean? > > Do anything! Like the library project! Like the web site. Like the > distribution disks. Like the booth at Hosstraders. > > It seems we have a problem coordinating things with multiple people > (except probably drinking beer), so maybe we should just stick with > one-person projects until someone comes along and shows us how to do > things as a team. Well, a long while back (a year ago), I wanted some "project leads" to step forward to handle a number of ideas that I had. I got zero response! I figured that if some of the "core" people took on projects with people contributing, that'd be the way to make us work as a team. The library work was a recent idea, but now I'm not only the leader of the group, but the project leader for the project, and the only contributor. It's not working. I do think that apathy might be a part of it. Certainly, something's keeping people from stepping forward to do stuff. > Rob, I'm not intending to pick on you. Or your excellent and valiant > leadership. Its just that the problem seems very related to the New > Englander mode of "doing things"... Do it yourself and if anyone > complains - well that's their fault. I understand, and I'd agree with your "doing things" thing, except that nobody's doing things, except those few of us who arrange meetings and the hosstraders presence. -- Rob Lembree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> JumpShift, LLC _______________________________________________ Gnhlug-org mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-org
