Jim (and all).
I must adamantly disagree with your viewpoint.  I've been a friend and then a foe of 
M$ for many years.  Yes, their products are easy to use, and yes, Mr. Bill is VERY 
good at plagiarizing others idea and then crushing them (and yes, that is a 
compliment, sort of), just ask Digital Research/Caldera, Lotus and Netscape.  M$'s 
claim to fame is NOT innovation, despite their claims to the
contrary.  It's a very, very easy task to take most M$ "innovations" (including the 
GUI) and show that they didn't come from Redmond.  They are excellent at recognizing 
good innovations and incorporating them but does that qualify them for greatness and 
does it imply that we wouldn't have made the advances we've made without them?

The point I must adamantly disagree to is that M$ had anything to do with the 
"computer revolution".  I think they rode the wave.  They didn't create it.  It's hard 
to say what the world would look like without M$, who knows Apple everywhere?  Some 
other graphical clone?  The point is that it's absurd to think that,  without M$, 
there would'nt have been a "computer revoulution".
Different players perhaps.  I for one don't think they've done us any favors and I've 
worked with every Intel based OS since the late 70's.

GGK

"jim t.p. ryan" wrote:

> Well said.  This is exactly why I hate it when I see Linux users get off on this MS 
>bashing kick.  They live in 2 different worlds, the everyday user and the technical 
>users.  I personally think Gates and crew have done amazing things given the user 
>population that is their market.
>
> I don't think there are many people in the Linux/Unix community, or any community 
>for that matter that can match what he has done.  I always find it amusing when I see 
>people pointing at the blue screen or the bugs, but at the same time I don't see 
>their name on any huge software success' out there.  When you can do it better, and 
>prove it by selling it, then you can throw stones.
>
> Sincerely,
> Jim Ryan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Karl J. Runge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent:    Fri, 5 May 2000 07:45:01 -0700 (PDT)
> To:      [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Gratuitous Microsoft Bashing (was: let's torture and kill viruswriters)
>
> > Subject: Re: Gratuitous Microsoft Bashing (was: let's torture and kill 
>viruswriters)
>
> On Fri, 05 May 2000, "jim t.p. ryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Please let's not turn this into the typical MS bashing Linux group.  I
> > like Linux, it is a powerful, somewhat stable OS.  But compared to
> > Windows, it has virtually no applications.  When, and I hope it does,
> > have as many disparate (sp??) vendors writing to it, and as many users
> > using it as Windows..
>
> I actually hope it does *not*. I like that fact that it has "virtually
> no applications". In actuality it has more than enough for me (a weird
> person who knows how to program) to get my work done and have a lot
> of fun doing it.
>
> It bothers me somewhat that Linux may break Unix tradition and appeal
> to the masses.
>
> well, back to my rubber room...
>
> Karl
>
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