I have to say this has been the most enjoyable and one of the most
intellectually stimulating threads we have had on this list in the year and
a half that I have been involved. My thanks and respect for the civility
showed by all who have participated. I have learned much in the past 36
hours.
And to the other thread about PHP, APS, Perl, Python, and all those other
languages. WHew, what an education.
As all who know me will attest, I am neither an engineer nor a sys-admin,
however, from this discussion I have drawn a couple of conclusions. I
clipped Jerry Feldman's comments as they go to the heart of the problem I
see by Bob Bell's assertions that he needs the access and root.
I am sure that Bob would take responsibility for his action (or what he
felt his portion of responsibility was), though I wonder if it were him or
a sys-admin losing jobs that may have been created by a foul-up by Bob, if
he would indeed take responsibility for his actions to save the sys-admin
if it meant Bob losing his job due to shareholder or just plan Corp anger.
(you know, kind of like that basketball player who hit the coach, got
suspended and fined by the league [later reinstated and given back his
money] and then the coach gets fired at the end of the season because he
couldn't control an individual).
>Engineers like Bob Bell need access to the systems they use, but they
>also must take on the appropriate responsibilities.
The larger issue I think is brought up by Jerry with the below statement
>There is also the issue that some engineer who does not have a need
>wants root access because the other engineers have it.
This "I" need it mentality (nothing meant personally here) does or will
create the atmosphere from junior engineers, interns, etc learning that the
sys-admin is the enemy trying to take away something from them, even
though, fromm the examples given, nothing really needs to change except the
way "We" do business.
If I were scoring this as I would a tennis match, it wouldn't be 40 love to
the sys-admins, but maybe 40-15.
Keep going.
Jerry
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