On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Tony Lambiris wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 03:06:34PM -0400, Jeffry Smith wrote:
> > You write as if you are a security expert (especially given your
> > domain name), and have no knowledge of
> > the Bastille project (a group of people developing scripts to harden
> > Linux installs, and ensure they are set up correctly)? I agree that
> > the user needs to verify for themselves, but they can also verify the
> > Bastille scripts. Using Bastille is no different than using SAINT or
> > another tool to verify that a system is set up correctly.
>
> Hahaha, I'm sorry I don't rely on scripts to harden my system, or keep up to
> date with the projects that create these scripts. I'm just a little too busy
> with the 15 other security-related mailinglists to worry about scripts to
> 'harden my system'. This is just another crutch to keep you from learning how
> to do it youself IMHO. Much like Red Hat does with Linux (am I sensing a
> pattern?).
>
So you wrote your own kernel? Write your own apps? At some point,
you trust other people (and verify their code). I choose to use tools
that help me, and get the job done, but, hey, you want to kill
yourself, that's your problem (btw: did you wonder why you're "too
busy"?)
> > And if the person isn't an expert, they shouldn't be held responsible
> > as such. Also, blaming the tool (Linux) for the human error (which is
> > what this thread was about) is still wrong.
>
> Sure they should. If they can't do the job right, then they shouldn't be
> doing it. That's like putting a graphics designer in charge of your mail
> servers. It's just asking for trouble. And no one is blaming Linux, I'm
> blaming Red Hat for their ass-backwards way of doing things.
>
> > You mean you never took a job for which you had to do on-the-job
> > training? Must be nice to be competent in everything. And it appears
> > from the original post that they aren't clued NOW (i.e. they removed
> > Linux from the campus network because 1 box was used to crack an
> > outside site).
>
> Nope.
> I'm not trying to fool anyone.
> Yeah, it's a pretty safe bet KSC doesn't have any linux-saavy people. Hopefully
> they can learn a thing or two from this thread.
>
Of course, some of us enjoy learning, Others fool themselves
that they're perfect. BTW: I assume you walk into every job knowing
everything about the company, their systems, etc. Never need to ask a
single question, never, ever make a mistake. And, you have a bridge
in brooklyn to sell.
> > You can blame Red Hat, but it doesn't make it a bug.
>
> ?
Read your own posts, if you have to ask.
>
> > To quote from the first post of this thread:
> > KSC has traditionally had a Linux server that held student accounts
> > for mail
> [---snip---]
> > Show me the name in there. Took me 1 second to spot that, 2 seconds
> > tops to post it here. In fact, you quoted the above post in your
> > first reply:
> > Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:58:38 -0400
> > From: Tony Lambiris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: GNHLUG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: KSCLUG
> >
> > Wherein you, guess what, were the first one to name names. Want to
> > try again on the excuses?
>
> Would someone care to fwd me the first post of this thread? Thanks.
>
Why, you didn't save it? After quoting it? My, my.
> > Right, you forgot the smiley.
>
> What smiley?
>
>
I suspect you've just made the mistake you regret.
jeff
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