Stephen Ryan said:
>I've noticed a bunch of people thinking that the license on IPF was
>changed from BSD to something else.  IPF was never under the BSD
>license.  It was under something that superficially looked a lot like
>the BSD license, but never granted the right to modify ("create derived
>works").  The license isn't being changed retroactively, only
>clarified.  The problems is that people ASSumed something about
>it that wasn't true; just because it LOOKED like the BSD license
>doesn't means it WAS the BSD license.  
>

Yep, see my previous post of the actual licenses.

>OpenBSD is, in fact, (slightly) screwed over this one, because they
>can't legally ship with IPF; in contrast to what a previous poster
>stated, they do not have 6 months; I bet Darren could get an injunction
>to stop them from shipping, too, if he wanted to.  BTW, this is because
>OpenBSD has modified IPF, and that is explicitly contrary to the IPF
>license.  If they were using vanilla, out-of-the-box shipping IPF,
>they'd be cool, with nothing to worry about.  The reason it was removed
>is because they need to modify it to get it to work properly with
>OpenBSD, and they're not allowed to.  The -current version, with the
>"No redistribution allowed" is a red herring.  The real problem (which
>Theo et.al. have correctly identified) is that they are not allowed to
>modify it according to the license.  Furthermore, because they now very
>publicly know about this, it would count as wilful copyright violation,
>which carries significantly larger penalties.

Which is why it's ALREADY pulled from OpenBSD (just checked the CVS tree - 
it's gone).

>
>My guess?  OpenBSD writes new firewall code and IPF goes the way of the
>dodo, only there are stuffed dodos in museums and IPF won't be
>preserved in that fashion.  It will fade away, unloved, unsung,
>unmissed.

Or, maybe (don't hold your breath) Darren wakes up, realizes no one's 
using his code, and relicenses it under a BSD license (as copyright 
holder, he can do that).

>
>The moral is that Debian is right:  CHECK THE LICENSES!

Yep.  That's what debian-legal list is about, that's why they're paranoid, that's why 
the didn't ship KDE for so long - if there's ANY question about the license, it's 
lawyer time!

jeff

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