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At some point hitherto, Ken D'Ambrosio hath spake thusly:
> On Mon, 2002-01-14 at 12:09, Benjamin Scott wrote:
> > On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Paul Lussier wrote:
> > > Adaptec has had a lot of problems, especially with Linux drivers.
> > > There was one person maintaining his own drivers for linux, then Adaptec
> > > came along and said ...
> > 
> >   Yet another reason to avoid 2.4.  I am starting to think that 2.4 is the
> > Ford Edsel of Linux.  At the rate things are going, 2.6 might be stable
> > before 2.4 is.
> 
> I have to disagree.  I remember 1.0.0, 1.2.0, 2.0.0, and 2.2.0 -- *all*
> of them had their share of nay-sayers.

And I have to disagree with you.  I've generally found that if you
want your system to actually work well and reliably, you'll want to
wait until at least the point where Linus has passed the kernel on to
the "stable" maintainer.  Even then, you can have problems.  The 2.2
series didn't really solidify until 2.2.18, which had a security
problem which caused 2.2.19 to be released soon after.  Unfortunately,
the "fix" didn't, and 2.2.20 was eventually released to finally
(hopefully) fix the hole.

> And Linus has never hidden the fact that he has no problem
> publishing kernels that break drivers, his opinion being that, if
> the code is needed, someone'll fix it, and if it isn't, it'll
> eventually get deprecated and then removed.  Alas, I've seen many
> discussions about how stupid Adaptec's been lately (~ 2 years) with
> regards to drivers, be it making their own, or publishing
> specs. When it came to SCSI, my mantra used to be "There is no
> adapter but Adaptec, and I am their prophet", but this has, alas,
> changed... and it's not 2.4's fault if Adaptec's made this happen.

I'm familiar with the arguments, and they make some sense.  As for
whether or not it's the kernel developer's fault the Adaptec drivers
don't work: No, but it doesn't much matter either if you have Adaptec
hardware, does it?  If it don't work, it don't work.  Plain and
simple.

BTW, a suggestion for people who have this problem:  Build an SMP
kernel, even if you only have one CPU, or make sure IO-APIC support is
turned on.  This MAY help.  Or may not.  It worked for me with the Red
Hat supplied version of 2.4.7 which comes with RH 7.2.

> As for other issues with 2.4 -- they're getting worked on.  After
> the fiasco that was 2.4.15, I think they're pretty much to the point
> where it's a usable, production-ready kernel.

Maybe... but would you bet your company's life on it?

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