> > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> To: gnome-shell-list@gnome.org
> > > > >> Subject: Re: gnome-3.16.x without systemd
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 2. systemd-shim (limited support for some of the systemd apis)
-development halted
> > > > 
> > >> systemd-shim is not an reimplementation of logind, its a wrapper to
allow
> > >> the use of systemd logind and a few other components without 
> > >> requiring systemd init. It certainly provides enough for a full 
> > >> GNOME support up to 3.14 and probably 3.16, we were using it in 
> > >> Ubuntu GNOME up until the recent switch
> > >>to systemd init, and it worked well.
> > >>
> > >> I don't know where you heard development is halted, Canonical will 
> > >> need to keep maintaining it so long as they still have upstart in 
> > >> the archives.
> > >> 
> > > I based the comment on the fact that the last commit to
> > > https://github.com/desrt/systemd-shim
> > > was Dec-14, but maybe Ubuntu uses a different git repo?
> > > 
> > > That notwithstanding, I'm trying to make 3.16.x work and the only 
> > > way forward would seem to be to
> > > debug the "gnome-shell.desktop failed to register" error, hence the
> > > request for help :)
> > >
> > bump?
>
> Check out Devuan: supposed to be a Debian derivative without systemd.
> So far it's vaporware, but they might be able to assist in this regard.
> I wouldn't expect the Gnome Development community to be the place to ask.
> Devuan has a website: https://devuan.org/
>
Thanks for Devuan link - it does indeed appear to be vapourware so far.

I would have thought that the gnome development community was exactly the
place to ask why I cannot get stderr output from gnome-shell when called by
gnome-session.

Is it possible to get js log and js error messages from gnome-shell by using
something like:

int
main (int argc, char **argv)
 {
freopen("/tmp/mystderr.txt", "w", stderr);

and then:

log('mymessage ');

Or, if this is not the way, how do I get them?

Regards
John

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