[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > not only does lilypond use an input syntax similar to that of mup
> > (though lilypond's music definition language is easier to read and
> > write) and create far superior output, but it's also free in both
> > senses of the word.  i can't understand why you would promote a
> > shareware program in a gnu/linux magazine while totally ignoring a
> > superior gpl program that's an official part of the gnu project.
> >
> 
> Sorry, but while I agree with the other sentiments, from the output I've seen mup

Nick, could you use a linewidth of 72 columns for your mail?  This
wraps around really ugly on a terminal window.

> is /far better/ than lilypond.  Just look at the bach 48 example, and there are

I don't think we have an example called "48".

And if you think that printing God Save The Queen is impressive, then
that makes for an easy counter: just don't look at the mutopia/
subdirectory, and presto: then our examples are neat as well.  

> loads of silly collisions, slurs overwriting dynamic markings, and strange
> placings for semibreves and whole-bar rests.  The slurs even often appear the
> wrong way up!  Other faults appear in many other examples.  Perhaps this is a
> matter of tweeking the input, but I really think that the samples from mup are
> much better (in particular, their God Save the Queen, opps sorry,"My Country,
> 'tis of thee" or whatever they call it, is very fine).

Duh.  Mup has its weaknesses as well: slurs and phrase markings on
mixed stem notes have to be up (and not down).  See
http://www.arkkra.com/doc/uguide/phrase.html; and the slur shapes
suck.

When I read these messages yesterday, I pulled out my copy of the MUP
manual.  It took me approximately 10 seconds to find that ugly error
in MUPs output.  I'm pretty sure that I will find new errors once I
stare at the manual for more than a minute.

(And then I haven't even started on the fonts, which are---to put it
politely---below my standards)

I personally feel that LilyPond is the better system, and that the
fonts are good enough reason for this feeling.  I don't feel like
spending lots of time on discussing the relative merits of both
systems: I want to make LilyPond the best.

-- 

Han-Wen Nienhuys, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** GNU LilyPond - The Music Typesetter 
      http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/hanwen/lilypond/index.html 

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