Thanks for your input and for your generosity for ripping off people with good kind hearts while earning a substantial profit yourself. If you started to talk on my behalf in this cunning manner I would shove my foot so far up your ass that you would be shining it when you wipe your face.
I don't blame others for my shortcomings. I was explaining how to make linux products, most of them which are ridiculously difficult to install and configure, better so they would have more value in the marketplace. What you just said about my willingness to learn is incorrect, there is nothing wrong with my willingness to learn. In fact I am pretty knowledgeable and self-educated. People don't need to know how to fly the airplane which they use to visit their relatives, or to cook the meal they eat in restaurants, or to how to make the shoe they wear, and so on. At the time when we tried integrating this product we would have been happy to pay a few hundred bucks for it instead of agonizing on begging Craig for free support. If the linux guys knew how to make good products they wouldn't have to provide free support and they could easily ask for a reasonable sum of money for their wares. Lastly which relates to what you said and how you were spinning my opinion to land on Craig's side, so he would continue his mindless giving while you use his work for profits. I know that linux guys are kind and have good hearts. I am a hybrid. I work in both linux and windows environments, and I appreciate the effort that both teams put in to turn out products. I also know that there are greedy people who rip them off by using their wares for profit while using cunning remarkt so make them believe that they need to provide free support. To anyone who is reading this stuff and feels that I expressed their feelings, mark my words: "THE BIGGEST ENEMY OF GOOD PEOPLE IS THEIR OWN BENEVOLENCE." You don't need to provide free support to anyone. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever. Make a good product that is easy to use and before you hand anything over, ask to be paid for the value of your investment and the profit that you rightfully deserve. If you don't do it, then someone else will and it will be your loss and their gain. Rick Macdougall wrote: > Hi, > > <flame on, sorry> > > I think you are confusing GNUDip with a retail product. > > gnudip is a freely available package that Craig maintains out of the > goodness of his heart, not as a package to sell to clueless newbies who need > self installers. > > What Craig supplies to the Linux (and other) communities is a stream of bug > fixes and enhancements that he recieves no payment for. Hopefully, the > response from the community is positive and he continues to modify the code > and work with others to make a better product. > > He is not, 1) in it to make millions of dollars, 2) in it to help you out > personally with a problem you might have, 3) in it to listen to people whine > about self installers, 4) in it to provide free support to install it. > > Viable tech is here now, we run a good sized ISP running in Canada against > the Telco's and Cable companies, using nothing but Linux and we continue to > upgrade the services available to the client. We've been in business since > 1994 and it looks like we'll break the $2,000,000 gross profit line this > year. This all with 4 people. > > If you don't know how to operate a Linux system or aren't willing to learn, > never, ever, blame other people for your own shortcomings. > > <flame off, sorry) > > Regards, > > Rick > PS. Sorry, but people like this really piss me off. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Endre Palfi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 8:07 PM > Subject: Re: [GnuDIP] Contribute or Get Lost > > I realize the message I sent went to the list instead of you. I intended to > send > it to you directly, but I made a mistake which I only realized once the > email was > gone. I was trying to encourage you in what are the things you need to do to > make > what you do profitable. > > And yes I was the *bozo* that sent you the emails a while back asking you > for > help. We used to be an ISP but because of lack of viable technologies we > didn't > generate enough profits to support our backbone connection so we had to put > all > of our stuff in storage. Over $50000 of brand new stuff. I just contributed > by > the way. Explaining to you the needs of your prospective market (ISPs and > ASPs) > and how to shape it so that they would pay for it was my contribution. > > Also. Not only I contributed that, but I also contributed over $35000 of our > profits to Caldera when they went public only to loose every damn penny in > less > than two years. Linux may be free, but the damn Caldera stocks weren't free > when > I bought them. Today it's worth a little over $200. So I think I earned the > right > to speak freely among linux guys. You'll probably think that I'm > bullshitting, > but I'm not and so I don't care if you call it bs because our tax return > doesn't > lie. > > Anyways, you want to kick me off this list. FINE. This list isn't a very > active > list anyways. In fact today is probably the most amount of posts this list > has > seen on any given day for months now... and IT'S ALL BECAUSE OF a damn bozo > like > who is trying to help you by making some suggestions on how to shape your > product > to make it easier to sell. > > Creighton MacDonnell wrote: > > > I trust you are aware that GnuDIP is is not a commercial product? It is > > OpenSource and FREE. > > > > One company has asked me to install GnuDIP for use by their customers > > and are PAYING ME to make changes for them. > > > > In fact, to make GnuDIP more useful to that client I have in fact added > > a capability for "remote maintenance", so that they do not have to use > > "Self Registration". That company has been generous and forward thinking > > enough to allow me to include this in the OpenSource version of GnuDIP. > > > > Are you offering me money? > > > > Are you offering to help? > > > > Aren't you the guy who sent me several E-mails a day for several days > > while you ere trying to install GnuDIP? Didn't you even ask me to LOG ON > > TO YOUR SYSTEM to do it for you? > > > > Most of the work involved in setting up GnuDIP has nothing to do with > > GnuDIP. It is about BIND, Sandmail, MySQL, syslog. If you know of > > software that sets up BIND autmatically, what is it? > > > > There are many sites I know of where no one had any trouble. Or if they > > did, they contributed a solution. > > > > If you don't want to use GnuDIP, great! Get off this mailing list. Do > > you at least know how to do that? > > > > Endre Palfi wrote: > > > > > > Hi. I have given some tought to your project over the past months and I > > > never liked that self-registration idea. It seems like you are trying to > > > provide the technology and the retailing environment and are not doing > > > either one particularly well. I think you would have a good and usefull > > > product if it worked, but I remember from experience that installation > was > > > very cumbersome. Production environments (ISPs and ASPs) only use > products > > > that provide snappy flawless installation and equally snappy archiving > and > > > restoration. > > > > > > The correct way of doing what you do is to remove the self-registration > > > features altogether and provide some simple provisioning scripts to > > > manipulate the database. Once you have that, package it properly with > > > installation scripts, provisioning script documentation and take it to > ISPs > > > and ASPs and have them integrate it into their service networks as they > see > > > fit. Usually ISPs and ASPs already have the end-user interfaces and they > > > want to expand it by adding more products and services to it. Since 99% > of > > > the value in what you do is in the DynIP service everything else is just > > > distraction. Kind of like having a kiosk on the street for selling light > > > bulbs. You make light-bulbs. Package it the way other light bulb > companies > > > package their products and put them where the other light bulbs are so > that > > > people can buy it and you can receive the product. > > > > > > When you have that, promote is as hard as you can to generate sales and > > > recover expenses so that you can move on to developing the next > technology > > > or refining what you have "profitably". > > > > > > You will have a lot more success with your product that way. > > > > > > Creighton MacDonnell wrote: > > > > > > > Last night it appears that my installation of GnuDIP was used to send > a > > > > large number of E-mails to a victim. > > > > > > > > While those GnuDIP web pages that can only be entered through the > login > > > > page cannot be anonymously abused. it is now clear that the self > > > > registration page can be. A program can "GET" and "POST" that page > > > > repeatedly to send an E-mail bombardment to a third party. The > > > > bombardment will seem to come from the GnuDIP site. > > > > > > > > I have disabled self registration on my site. > > > > > > > > I will try to find a way to make sure that a human being is using the > > > > page. Suggestions are welcome. > > > > > > > > Sorry about this. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Creighton MacDonnell > > > > http://macdonnell.ca/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > > > > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > > > > > > > -- > > > > GnuDIP Mailing List > > > > http://gnudip2.sourceforge.net/gnudip-www/#mailinglist > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > > > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > > > > > -- > > > GnuDIP Mailing List > > > http://gnudip2.sourceforge.net/gnudip-www/#mailinglist > > > > -- > > Creighton MacDonnell > > http://macdonnell.ca/ > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > > > -- > > GnuDIP Mailing List > > http://gnudip2.sourceforge.net/gnudip-www/#mailinglist > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > -- > GnuDIP Mailing List > http://gnudip2.sourceforge.net/gnudip-www/#mailinglist > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference > August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm > > -- > GnuDIP Mailing List > http://gnudip2.sourceforge.net/gnudip-www/#mailinglist _______________________________________________________________ Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm -- GnuDIP Mailing List http://gnudip2.sourceforge.net/gnudip-www/#mailinglist
