Hi Christopher,
Some comments below...
C. Bergström wrote:
I'm not sure if the bounties page is up date? There's two that seem
interesting..
1) building onnv-gate on NCP2
2) building an alternative "distro"
It's hard to find, but I know exact requirements for building
onnv-gate.. The details on this seem kinda fuzzy, because even
something small like changing the postgresql version from 8.2 to 8.3
could require a patch (eg..src/libs/mms/) and nightly would just show
the missing lib.. so for $150 what exactly are you hoping for? What's
the current state?
Good question! There is a nexenta-on source package that is started. I
think the idea is that developers can download nexenta-on and get it to
work if they are interested in doing so. To me, the prize seems kinda
like a cherry on top of a dessert.
For the other part of this email.. I'm sure many people appreciate
trying to get new developers interested with small cash rewards, but
unless you're offering chunks like gsoc I'm not sure it'll really
attract much attention. (I could be wrong) Just a thought.. What
about actually trying to push some sort of innovation? I know you
guys have some CIFS workgroup patches that are interesting, but what
else is Nexenta really doing? I don't mean this sarcastically, but
why should anyone even really care?
Seems people do (care) already. Nexenta is doing apt/dpkg and a whole
bunch of pre-packaged GNU software. I can't speak for everyone but I do
enjoy this combination as it saves me time in upgrades and also offers
all of the benefits (and drawbacks) of the debian packaging system.
Innovation happens here as well. apt-clone was the first package upgrade
mechanism that allows OpenSolaris users to rollback from a failed
upgrade. Nexenta also attracts users who are familiar with apt/dpkg and
want to try out OpenSolaris. In this way, Nexenta is one of many
distributions that can provide a first "welcome" to the community.
For what it's worth.. some of my project would make it a lot easier
for you guys to build onnv-gate and or highly customize it to your
needs. If you simply follow the 20 year old monolithic Sun style
packaging.. You'll always be stuck like this. If anyone out there is
/really/ interested in entirely open source OpenSolaris technology I'd
love to hear back. So far with the help of others the *only* thing
with closed bits is libc.. Which boils down to how to implement wide
char support.. there's options for it and all are obtainable.. Anil..
maybe you could help and put a decent bounty on this?
For the un-initiated, this is a new project that has ambitious goals. If
someone feels that Nexenta can leverage from this development effort I
would love to see collaboration between Nexenta and ospkg.
I don't see the distribution as stuck, perhaps you can clarify what is
meant by that? Many packages that are well known in the
Solaris/OpenSolaris world are easy to find for those who are familiar
with them. For those that aren't, the package descriptions help to
bridge the gap. "apt-cache search {keyword}" searches both package names
and descriptions.
When I mean fully open.. I mean from bootstrapping jamvm so you can
build icedtea6 to using small tricks like ksh93's built-in tail/printf..
Fully open is the goal. Work has been done towards an open libc. I would
love to see various JVMs implemented under Nexenta. Currently most of
the java packages are not being built because gcj is missing. It's
possible that another JVM can be put in its place but the work still
needs to be done to do this.
Thanks for the feedback!
-Tim
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