Hi Anil,
I normally would not cc the list on a private email, but this isn't a
private discussion between us. (Even though I may be the only one on
/my/ side) I'll keep my responses light and try not to stir things up
to cause a debate (further)
Anil Gulecha wrote:
Hi Christopher,
I'm keeping this offline as I'd rather avoid a debate on how the project should
change it's mission.
* Nexenta has not contributed much in terms of code back to
opensolaris. Point taken. Nexenta is project trying to provide the
Ubuntu package repository with opensolaris advantages. As per this
mission, our efforts have been towards makingf these two work
together.
I'd still ask.. what's the benefit? Is there a particular reason.. Who
decided this.. Is this the best path to meet the end goal.. What is the
goal? Is this just to make it more convenient so Canonical can provide
support? (Which could be a great thing.. who knows..)
* No original work done: I've joined in late, so wont comment on
things past a year, but I've seen lot of innovation in the project
since, not the least of which are Tim's contributions.
Such as?
* Why do people care?: Why do people use windows? why do people use
QWERTY (as opposed to DROVAK), etc? These choices weren't made based
on as much on objective or technical merits.. they were used, and the
userbase grew. We have a BIG ubuntu/debian userbase out there and
_plenty_ of them would be happy with moving to Nexenta and it's apt
tools, than other userland/etc. There's a _big_ potential audience,
and the Nexenta mission seems like a promising way to easily reach
them. This isnt a reply based on technical merits, but on numbers.
So? What do converted Ubuntu/debian users bring to the Nexenta
community? More testers/bug reports? I'm not really questioning if
it's right/wrong.. I'm more questioning why..
I'm missing what makes having apt + some packaged gnu software so
special? You could just as well send your spec files to the new
/contrib build server and then the difference is having apt.. right?
(So we agree that apt > IPS ) I'm building a full packaging framework
with QA policies and a host of other features.. If I made something that
provides a familiar apt interface and a host of new innovative
features.. Would anyone in the Nexenta community be interested..?
By numbers do you mean monetary gain to Nexenta corporation or
contributions to the community?
* Bounty : The bounty was a new idea we (the project) decided to try
out this time. The numbers aren't huge, but we decided it'll generate
additional interest in the project. We'll know soon.
It's still unclear and until it's more specific it's just hot air..
(sorry.. this I won't hold back)
* Patches: Yes, this has been upto individual package maintainers,
largely, and we haven't yet published a policy document. We do use
upstream patched on packages, and critical fixes from opensolaris are
applied on sunw* packages. This is one area that we need to improve.
*Ruffling feathers : yes, you did, and I also see that you've been to
point and voiced your concerns objectively.
I try to be more objective than just flippant.. Smack me if I cross the
line.. I strongly feel the people interested in open source community
outside Sun should work together more than apart. To be open instead of
just hold onto something because they refuse to relearn how to add a g
in front of their favorite program.
Perhaps Nexenta isn't heading in a direction you have in mind, or
consider worthy. But it is on a promising road, nonetheless. We are a
few developers, and any suggestions towards our mission (making
policies more clear, automating and maintaining patches better,
licensing clarifications, tools to add value to Ubuntu with
opensolaris) will be thankfully appreciated.
ok.. for patch policy look to your neighbors Fedora.. automate build..
opensuse build service.. code reading/auditing.. openbsd.. There's a lot
to learn from other communities.. those communities usually have
leaders/innovators.. that's how they've gained adoption and survived the
weather.. If Nexenta corp goes away.... what's left?
*DISCLAIMER* I may be rather blunt/forward.. However.. I'm trying to
bring up good points.. Sometimes good things come from questions..
Having some clear policy so others can understand *and* work with you
towards a common goal is good. right?
<please-ignore>Not to change the subject too much, but when will Nexenta
release the build scripts? Wouldn't this make it easier for someone to
actually fulfill the bounty.. with or without the reward..? I had to
bug Erast last time to even release the nexenta-on source package..
Maybe people just don't care or aren't paying attention..</please-ignore>
Anyway.. good luck and hopefully this wasn't a waste of time..
./C
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