On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 18:57 +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > Stefan Urbanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > p.s.: Can we convert GNUstep site to some CMS instead of having it on CVS? > > For a postscript, that's got a lot of implications. Unsurprisingly, > it's started a lot of debate. One specific question: > > What are we trying to improve here? > > I suspect that the CMS (currently just CVS) is not the limitation, > but the number of volunteers. If you have suggestions to get more > volunteers, I'll act on them as quickly as I can as far as I can. >
Suggestion to get more voulenteers? Switch to a site editing method with no obstacles. You need contents maintainers, not web designers. Therefore you need someone who can press 'edit' button and edit plain text, not someone who has to know CVS. And yes, CVS is very great barier for editors. > >From another message from Stefan: > > [...] they have a kind of bridge between mailman and the forum [2], so every > > post to the ubuntu lists gets published at the forum as a standard message. > > Does GNUstep has any resources (machine, time,...) to set up such forum? > > Isn't that what gmane, google groups and others do already? We've > been around for a while, so are on these services, while youngsters > like ubuntu have to do it for themselves. No, it isn't. It is decetralised and distant to GNUstep. And also, it is not about doing something for ourselves where there already is something with similar funcitonality. It is about bringing all stuf together and make it more accessible. It is not so obvious that one can search google groups for gnustep discussions. > > >From another message: > > using phpbb (http://www.phpbb.com/) then the requirements would be: > > > > Installation of phpBB2 requires the following: > > * Someone to track the security updates!! phpBB2 is very common and > very quickly exploited automatically when a bug is found. Who will > commit to doing this and for how long? > Do you have a suggestion for another forum application? It is very easy to say: "this is not good". > > 2. CMS > > Of those mentioned, I don't recall hearing of SPIP, WebsiteBaker > or typo3 being used in any sites I know well. I know of successes > with OpenCMS and xoops, but wasn't directly involved. Web > development is my day job (which eats my gnustep web time). > I have nothing agains other CMSs, they were just apps that I know and seen being used. Spip is very spread in france and canada. <snip> > Thom Cherryhomes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > it still does not change the fact that the current main GNUstep site > > is terrible [...] > > Thank you for praising the volunteers. Why haven't you fixed it yet? > No comment on that. Think about it little bit... > > it just seems nobody is expending any real effort to push GNUstep > > beyond its current community, and that is truly sad. > > All our efforts is fake, or what? If you want to show us what > "real effort" is, I suggest you try leading the gnustep-marketing > list. Seriously. Help if you can, or at least give good pointers > instead of vague broad brush condemnation. > I am against war, so I am not going to comment this either. I will say only that I have the same impression: the community is closed. Whether it is good or bad depends on your point of view. I think it is not very good. Idea can be attractor only for wise. There are not so many we would consider wise at this time, but there are many that would learn. What we can do is to observe what successful players are doing for attracting people and copy them. We have to offer what others want, not what we want them to want. Once we have them, then we can teach them 'the idea' behind GNUstep ... if they would not get it first... Regards, Stefan Urbanek -- http://stefan.agentfarms.net First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. - Mahatma Gandhi _______________________________________________ Gnustep-webmasters mailing list [email protected] http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnustep-webmasters
