I agree with Frederick. It is unfortunate that such treasure of our past is not preserved as it should have been. My admiration for Cunha Rivara, Filipe Neri Xavier, Bragança Pereira, and Pissurlencar is even greater when I think that they did all the work by themselves or may be just with one clerk or assistant to help them. John M. de Figueiredo
Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 7, 2023, at 5:25 PM, Rafael Moreira <[email protected]> wrote: > > Boxer's article is JUST WONDERFUL! What a piece of true 'erudição'… > How knowledgeable… It seems INCREDIBLE today! > Yours, > R.M. > >> On 4/7/23, Frederick Noronha <[email protected]> wrote: >> That's true, Prof John. Such descriptions are outdated by decades. But >> those seems to be the only works we have to go by, at least for now. (And >> the situation seems unlikely to change either, given the rate we're going.) >> For what it's worth, here's Boxer's shorter piece. Attached. FN >> >> On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 at 21:00, John de Figueiredo <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> There is also one by Charles Boxer in English. Both may be outdated >>> John M. de Figueiredo >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 7, 2023, at 11:17 AM, Frederick Noronha < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> <roteiro1.jpeg> >>> >>> >>> <roteiro2.jpeg> >>> >>> >>> This is the* Roteiro* (roadmap) to the Goa Arhives, mentioned by Debra >>> Nicholson (who has been working intensely on the Goan community on Malawi >>> and the unusual end it came to (under President Hastings Banda). A >>> specimen >>> page too. >>> Originally published in 1955, and then reproduced in a facsimile edition >>> in 2009, priced Rs 230. Probably now out of print (not sure). Wish such >>> texts could be shared as copylefted, digital editions, in the interests >>> of >>> building awareness about one of Asia's oldest archives. FN >>> >>> On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 at 03:06, Debra Nicholson >>> <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Selma, perhaps you are already aware there is a printed guide in >>>> Portuguese by P.S.S. Pissurlencar, found in situ at the Goa Archives >>>> that >>>> may or may not be helpful in locating archival materials you need. >>>> >>>> I looked at it when I was there at few years ago. When I returned home, >>>> I >>>> was able to borrow a copy of his book, Roteiro dos Arquivos da India >>>> Portuguesa (Tipografia Rangel, 1955) through Interlibrary Loan at a >>>> local >>>> university library (US), and I copied it in the event I want to be more >>>> prepared when/if I return to Goa for more research. But I suspect there >>>> is >>>> a lot more stored there (and not yet catalogued) than even these guides >>>> suggest. >>>> >>>> When I was there pre-pandemic, the place was packed with people whom I >>>> assumed were looking for land records. >>>> >>>> I’d also like to mention the library upstairs—the loveliest librarians >>>> and an interesting collection. However, you can’t take photos of any >>>> materials, you have to pay a nominal fee for duplication. >>>> >>>> As an aside: Perhaps you also are aware of the State Library in Panjim, >>>> and the library at The Xavier Centre of Historical Research at Alto >>>> Porvorim, both repositories of much historical documentation. >>>> >>>> Best wishes, Debra >>>> >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >>>> Debra Nicholson, MFA, MA >>>> www.debranicholson.com >>>> alternate email: [email protected] >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Apr 3, 2023, at 9:31 AM, 'Carvalho' via Goa-Research-Net < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Fausto and everyone, thank you for your responses. I am sure as >>>> with >>>> most things in Goa, patience in key. If I can get hold of the books even >>>> after a wait of one hour I will be a happy bunny. More than the dates, I >>>> need the occupations which are stated on the parish baptismal >>>> certificates. >>>> >>>> Yes, the records must be digitized. It is a priority and the government >>>> must treat it as such. I understand there is indeed a goldmine of >>>> records >>>> in Goa, and if we had been clever it would have been a major research >>>> centre. >>>> >>>> All best wishes, >>>> Selma >>>> >>>> On Monday, 3 April 2023 at 10:47:09 BST, Jules Fausto Mendonca de Sa < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Selma, >>>> >>>> I have been going to Goa archives during every visit of mine since 2009. >>>> I have never had a major issue in terms of going there and getting what >>>> I >>>> need. The only issue is the bureaucracy. In the past one could present >>>> themselves at the entrance, leave belongings and enter the library. The >>>> next step is to go to the person managing the books of the various >>>> parishes. These books have remained the hand typed versions from the >>>> 1970s. >>>> No effort has been made to modernise this using Excel tools. The person >>>> then fills out the slip which is duplicated. This then goes to another >>>> person who enters it in another register retaining one slip and the >>>> other >>>> slip goes with the peon who then goes in to collect the book. This is >>>> where >>>> the whole process becomes tedious as the arrival of the book can take >>>> upto >>>> 30 minutes or even longer in some cases. There have been instances that >>>> they come back thirty minutes later so say that the book has gone for >>>> repairs which means you start all over again. Patience is very key. If >>>> you >>>> are conversant in Konkani then you are at an advantage. Please be >>>> mindful >>>> that the archives opens at 9.45 a.m and closes at 12.30 p.m. for lunch. >>>> It >>>> then reopens at 2.15 p.m. and closes at 4.15 p.m. Post Covid it appears >>>> that they only allow a certain number of people at the time. I do wish >>>> all >>>> these records had been digitised. There are organisations in the US >>>> willing >>>> to undertake this task and even provide equipment to view this at Goa >>>> archives but it probably is not in anyone's interest it is done. >>>> >>>> I hope that this answers some of your queries. >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Fausto >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* [email protected] < >>>> [email protected]> on behalf of alan machado < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> *Sent:* 03 April 2023 08:52 >>>> *To:* [email protected] < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* Re: Responder: [GRN] Query re Goa Archives >>>> >>>> Hi Selma >>>> >>>> Fausto in London and Michael Fonseca had been there last year. Not a >>>> very >>>> agreeable experience I understand >>>> Good luck >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 1:03 PM sandra lobo <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sandra Ataíde Lobo >>>> >>>> <Outlook-s2umfi4c.png> >>>> <Outlook-4ucy1ech.png> >>>> >>>> <Outlook-b2rsijr2.png> >>>> >>>> https://giepcip.wordpress.com/ >>>> <https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgiepcip.wordpress.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C1a122e50a07c44205a4708db341872bc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638161051886412064%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=wXSansrFKso55300%2F4%2FA1Ep1xY2isbwvNkE06UfcT0k%3D&reserved=0> >>>> >>>> tmn. ++351 930690459 >>>> Hi Selma, >>>> >>>> If rules haven't changed it is enough to present yourself there with an >>>> identification. >>>> Best wishes >>>> Sandra >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *De:* 'Carvalho' via Goa-Research-Net >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> *Enviado:* 3 de abril de 2023 07:58 >>>> *Para:* Goa-Research-Net <[email protected]> >>>> *Assunto:* [GRN] Query re Goa Archives >>>> >>>> Dear members, >>>> >>>> I shall be in Goa shortly hoping to access the Goa archives for two or >>>> three birth/baptismal recordings. I have never been to the Goa archives. >>>> There is nothing on their website which indicates what the process might >>>> be >>>> for a day pass/identification required, document handling and document >>>> ordering nor a search engine to do such ordering. 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