YES, indeed. But Dr. Figueiredo is RIGHT, and Dr. Bastos is WRONG! (Cristiana, se é lisboeta deve ter nascido na Maternidade Alfredo da Costa, que era um grande médico …de Goa, sim!) Yours, R.M.
On 6/18/23, cristiana bastos <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Dr Figueiredo, > Just to answer your question regarding which primary sources I am referring > to, I will be happy to guide you through the 19th archives of the India > Health Services that exist in the Arquivo Histórico Ultramarino (please > note that they are manuscript and in Portuguese, I hope you are ok with > that). Similar documents should exist in Goa (the bureaucrats produced > multiple copies, one to send, others to keep); but I never crossed them. > Even though there is a wealth of documentation in Goa's archives, many > things were lost. For example the archives of the medical school, which I > tried to find in loco during my first visit to Goa in 1998, to learn that > they had been thrown away as garbage, For many things I, too, relied on > secondary sources, trusting fellow historians. For the enrolled students of > the medical school, for instance, in the absence of enrollment archives, I > relied on Peregrino da Costa, who gathered the data in what seems to be a > reliable table. For the nineteenth century, however, I was able to > use multiple sources, including the manuscripts of those who actually > served in the health services in Goa and in the medical school. Believe > me: the picture that emerges is VERY different from the > institutional accounts provided by those who wanted to glorify the school > and wrote backwards from the twentieth century, Germano Correia above all. > It is totally normal that memorialists of medicine in Goa like Correia > tried to provide an image of continuity between the early attempts to teach > medicine in the early days of Portuguese rule and what later became the > Medical School of Goa. However, there are many gaps in that story, and it > is a bit of a stretch to see the separate efforts to promote medical > teaching in Goa as a unified process. Correia's account, besides having > tremendous leaps in time, minimizes two important elements that kept > medicine and health going in Goa through the centuries: (a) local (not > necessarily ayurvedic) medical practices and knowledge, and (b) the next > door neighbors in Bombay, including the East India Company surgeons and > physicians. > I will stop here for now, as this is not an academic debate - i just > answered your question in good faith. > best wishes to everyone and thanks to those who have the paciente to read > this. > > cristiana > > > Cristiana Bastos > Institute of Social Sciences | University of Lisbon | Av Anibal > Bettencourt, 9 | 1600-189 Lisboa, Portugal > *https://cristianabastos.org/ <https://cristianabastos.org/>* > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 9:35 PM John de Figueiredo > <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Dear Cristiana, >> Thank you for your message. >> I do not know what primary sources you are referring to. I have based all >> my comments on your publications and sources you cited in your >> publications >> and other sources that are also cited. The secondary sources I cited have >> primary sources cited in them. >> Likewise I would also be happy to be proven wrong if there is evidence >> proving that I am wrong. I also have no vested interest in supporting or >> not supporting any ideology. I will have other comments forthcoming and >> you >> may want to wait until I am all done. >> With best regards, >> Sincerely, >> John >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 18, 2023, at 2:53 PM, cristiana bastos <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> Dear Dr Figueiredo: >> >> It is extremely flattering that you are reading my work so closely, and I >> thank you for that, despite the fact that you attribute to my person >> some >> intentions and opinions that are quite off the mark. I have no >> ideological project and no personal positionality regarding these >> matters. >> I read documents, manuscripts and other sources to come up with my >> interpretations, in dialogue with international and state-of-the-art >> scholarship, as any scholar should do; if you want to refute them, you >> are >> fully entitled to do so, and I would be very happy to be proven wrong if >> you find facts on primary sources. So far, however, your endnotes only >> refer to secondary sources, which as you know carry the multiple biases >> of >> their authors. >> >> Wishing well to you and to all GRNetters, >> >> cristiana >> >> Cristiana Bastos >> Institute of Social Sciences | University of Lisbon | Av Anibal >> Bettencourt, 9 | 1600-189 Lisboa, Portugal >> *https://cristianabastos.org/ <https://cristianabastos.org/>* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 7:20 PM JOHN DE FIGUEIREDO < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Attached is a document with the title "When did the School start?". >>> >>> Please note that the attached notes are copyrighted. All rights >>> reserved. 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