With due respect, one exposes lies, but one reveals the truth. Unless of course you prefer “expose the truth” as a forceful and forthright way of “exposing” someone else’s lies through correction of an error.
On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 6:21 PM John de Figueiredo <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Cristiana, > Let me assure you, and all those who have the patience to read my posts, > my mission is to discover and expose the truth. Nothing more, nothing less. > Warm regards, > John > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 18, 2023, at 5:46 PM, cristiana bastos <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Dear Roland -- and all GRNetters. No animosity here, no matter > the not very nice things i have to read about myself -- intentions I do not > have, agendas i am not aware of. Every now and then I engage in correcting > some inaccuracies, and, again, to state that I have absolutely no > ideological position, agenda, whatsoever, and that my work results from > independent, non-aligned research. Dr Figueiredo seems to be on a mission, > that is his mission, and he spells my name right, which is not always the > case with readers. > > well wishes to everyone. > > Cristiana Bastos > PI, ERC Adv Grant "The Colour of Labour" > Institute of Social Sciences | University of Lisbon | Av Anibal > Bettencourt, 9 | > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Av+Anibal+Bettencourt,+9+%7C+1600-189+Lisboa,+Portugal?entry=gmail&source=g> > 1600-189 Lisboa, Portugal > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Av+Anibal+Bettencourt,+9+%7C+1600-189+Lisboa,+Portugal?entry=gmail&source=g> > > *https://cristianabastos.org/ <https://cristianabastos.org/>* > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 10:36 PM Roland Francis <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Both John de Figueiredo and Cristiana Bastos are two individuals from >> whose posts we get interesting glimpses of the Escola Medica’s history and >> the achievements of its alumni. >> >> I wish the inherent animosity between the two could be somehow resolved >> and the fruits of their cooperation give us continued pleasure. >> >> Just my opinion. >> >> Roland. >> >> On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 5:29 PM cristiana bastos < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dear Dr Figueiredo, >>> Just to answer your question regarding which primary sources I am >>> referring to, I will be happy to guide you through the 19th archives of the >>> India Health Services that exist in the Arquivo Histórico Ultramarino >>> (please note that they are manuscript and in Portuguese, I hope you are ok >>> with that). Similar documents should exist in Goa (the bureaucrats >>> produced multiple copies, one to send, others to keep); but I never >>> crossed them. Even though there is a wealth of documentation in Goa's >>> archives, many things were lost. For example the archives of the medical >>> school, which I tried to find in loco during my first visit to Goa in 1998, >>> to learn that they had been thrown away as garbage, For many things I, too, >>> relied on secondary sources, trusting fellow historians. For the enrolled >>> students of the medical school, for instance, in the absence of enrollment >>> archives, I relied on Peregrino da Costa, who gathered the data in what >>> seems to be a reliable table. For the nineteenth century, however, I was >>> able to use multiple sources, including the manuscripts of those who >>> actually served in the health services in Goa and in the medical school. >>> Believe me: the picture that emerges is VERY different from the >>> institutional accounts provided by those who wanted to glorify the school >>> and wrote backwards from the twentieth century, Germano Correia above all. >>> It is totally normal that memorialists of medicine in Goa like Correia >>> tried to provide an image of continuity between the early attempts to teach >>> medicine in the early days of Portuguese rule and what later became the >>> Medical School of Goa. However, there are many gaps in that story, and it >>> is a bit of a stretch to see the separate efforts to promote medical >>> teaching in Goa as a unified process. Correia's account, besides having >>> tremendous leaps in time, minimizes two important elements that kept >>> medicine and health going in Goa through the centuries: (a) local (not >>> necessarily ayurvedic) medical practices and knowledge, and (b) the next >>> door neighbors in Bombay, including the East India Company surgeons and >>> physicians. >>> I will stop here for now, as this is not an academic debate - i just >>> answered your question in good faith. >>> best wishes to everyone and thanks to those who have the paciente to >>> read this. >>> >>> cristiana >>> >>> >>> Cristiana Bastos >>> Institute of Social Sciences | University of Lisbon | Av Anibal >>> Bettencourt, 9 | >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Av+Anibal+Bettencourt,+9+%7C%C2%A0+1600-189+Lisboa,+Portugal?entry=gmail&source=g>1600-189 >>> Lisboa, Portugal >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Av+Anibal+Bettencourt,+9+%7C%C2%A0+1600-189+Lisboa,+Portugal?entry=gmail&source=g> >>> >>> *https://cristianabastos.org/ <https://cristianabastos.org/>* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 9:35 PM John de Figueiredo < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Cristiana, >>>> Thank you for your message. >>>> I do not know what primary sources you are referring to. I have based >>>> all my comments on your publications and sources you cited in your >>>> publications and other sources that are also cited. The secondary sources I >>>> cited have primary sources cited in them. >>>> Likewise I would also be happy to be proven wrong if there is evidence >>>> proving that I am wrong. I also have no vested interest in supporting or >>>> not supporting any ideology. I will have other comments forthcoming and you >>>> may want to wait until I am all done. >>>> With best regards, >>>> Sincerely, >>>> John >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jun 18, 2023, at 2:53 PM, cristiana bastos < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Dr Figueiredo: >>>> >>>> It is extremely flattering that you are reading my work so closely, and >>>> I thank you for that, despite the fact that you attribute to >>>> my person some intentions and opinions that are quite off the mark. I have >>>> no ideological project and no personal positionality regarding these >>>> matters. I read documents, manuscripts and other sources to come up with my >>>> interpretations, in dialogue with international and state-of-the-art >>>> scholarship, as any scholar should do; if you want to refute them, you are >>>> fully entitled to do so, and I would be very happy to be proven wrong if >>>> you find facts on primary sources. So far, however, your endnotes only >>>> refer to secondary sources, which as you know carry the multiple biases of >>>> their authors. >>>> >>>> Wishing well to you and to all GRNetters, >>>> >>>> cristiana >>>> >>>> Cristiana Bastos >>>> Institute of Social Sciences | University of Lisbon | Av Anibal >>>> Bettencourt, 9 | >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Av+Anibal+Bettencourt,+9+%7C%C2%A0+1600-189+Lisboa,+Portugal?entry=gmail&source=g>1600-189 >>>> Lisboa, Portugal >>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Av+Anibal+Bettencourt,+9+%7C%C2%A0+1600-189+Lisboa,+Portugal?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>> >>>> *https://cristianabastos.org/ <https://cristianabastos.org/>* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 7:20 PM JOHN DE FIGUEIREDO < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Attached is a document with the title "When did the School start?". >>>>> >>>>> Please note that the attached notes are copyrighted. All rights >>>>> reserved. No part of this series of posts may be copied, reproduced or >>>>> transmitted by mechanical, electronic or any other means without my prior >>>>> permission. >>>>> >>>>> The opinions expressed in the attached notes are my own and should not >>>>> be construed as endorsed by Yale University where I teach or any other >>>>> organization to which I belong. >>>>> John M. de Figueiredo >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Goa-Research-Net" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/1058818806.873661.1687112380282%40mail.yahoo.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/1058818806.873661.1687112380282%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Goa-Research-Net" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/CAJ_erVO_NF8qvHvU2WjQngdk1F9TCgq6%2BKRyAis4E6wPgv6wxA%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/CAJ_erVO_NF8qvHvU2WjQngdk1F9TCgq6%2BKRyAis4E6wPgv6wxA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Goa-Research-Net" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/BC84EF1E-A636-4F6D-BA83-127758D4F918%40sbcglobal.net >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/BC84EF1E-A636-4F6D-BA83-127758D4F918%40sbcglobal.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Goa-Research-Net" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/CAJ_erVPgb%3Drzg4oCWsmjKA%3DhOSkJwKcbsCPu6bMM0zXXKU4Y8A%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/CAJ_erVPgb%3Drzg4oCWsmjKA%3DhOSkJwKcbsCPu6bMM0zXXKU4Y8A%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- >> Roland Francis >> 416-453-3371 >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Goa-Research-Net" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/CA%2Bx1-5TFNuFp7Zb9VS94HeeAau3_3jA4R7Hb-eCJZHhiJfqc7w%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/CA%2Bx1-5TFNuFp7Zb9VS94HeeAau3_3jA4R7Hb-eCJZHhiJfqc7w%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Goa-Research-Net" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/CAJ_erVNJe_ZsSdRbkAw14xYrS9jqEs_72RvnkFKX1Kvkf816nA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/CAJ_erVNJe_ZsSdRbkAw14xYrS9jqEs_72RvnkFKX1Kvkf816nA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Goa-Research-Net" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/C5693022-BD7C-47B6-967C-3E07045271AE%40sbcglobal.net > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/C5693022-BD7C-47B6-967C-3E07045271AE%40sbcglobal.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- Roland Francis 416-453-3371 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Goa-Research-Net" group. 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