As always, you're absolutely RIGHT, that's true! (I meant what I said in a general way…) Yours, R.M.
On 6/18/23, John de Figueiredo <[email protected]> wrote: > For centuries humankind believed in Newtonian physics. Then Einstein came > and demonstrated the limitations of Newtonian physics. Does this mean that > Einstein accused Newton of lying? The answer is obvious. > John > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 18, 2023, at 6:28 PM, Roland Francis <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> With due respect, one exposes lies, but one reveals the truth. Unless of >> course you prefer “expose the truth” as a forceful and forthright way of >> “exposing” someone else’s lies through correction of an error. >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 6:21 PM John de Figueiredo >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Cristiana, >>> Let me assure you, and all those who have the patience to read my posts, >>> my mission is to discover and expose the truth. Nothing more, nothing >>> less. >>> Warm regards, >>> John >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jun 18, 2023, at 5:46 PM, cristiana bastos >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Roland -- and all GRNetters. No animosity here, no matter >>>> the not very nice things i have to read about myself -- intentions I do >>>> not have, agendas i am not aware of. Every now and then I engage in >>>> correcting some inaccuracies, and, again, to state that I have >>>> absolutely no ideological position, agenda, whatsoever, and that my work >>>> results from independent, non-aligned research. Dr Figueiredo seems to >>>> be on a mission, that is his mission, and he spells my name right, which >>>> is not always the case with readers. >>>> >>>> well wishes to everyone. >>>> >>>> Cristiana Bastos >>>> PI, ERC Adv Grant "The Colour of Labour" >>>> Institute of Social Sciences | University of Lisbon | Av Anibal >>>> Bettencourt, 9 | 1600-189 Lisboa, Portugal >>>> https://cristianabastos.org/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 10:36 PM Roland Francis >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Both John de Figueiredo and Cristiana Bastos are two individuals from >>>>> whose posts we get interesting glimpses of the Escola Medica’s history >>>>> and the achievements of its alumni. >>>>> >>>>> I wish the inherent animosity between the two could be somehow resolved >>>>> and the fruits of their cooperation give us continued pleasure. >>>>> >>>>> Just my opinion. >>>>> >>>>> Roland. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 5:29 PM cristiana bastos >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Dr Figueiredo, >>>>>> Just to answer your question regarding which primary sources I am >>>>>> referring to, I will be happy to guide you through the 19th archives >>>>>> of the India Health Services that exist in the Arquivo Histórico >>>>>> Ultramarino (please note that they are manuscript and in Portuguese, I >>>>>> hope you are ok with that). Similar documents should exist in Goa >>>>>> (the bureaucrats produced multiple copies, one to send, others to >>>>>> keep); but I never crossed them. Even though there is a wealth of >>>>>> documentation in Goa's archives, many things were lost. For example >>>>>> the archives of the medical school, which I tried to find in loco >>>>>> during my first visit to Goa in 1998, to learn that they had been >>>>>> thrown away as garbage, For many things I, too, relied on secondary >>>>>> sources, trusting fellow historians. For the enrolled students of the >>>>>> medical school, for instance, in the absence of enrollment archives, I >>>>>> relied on Peregrino da Costa, who gathered the data in what seems to >>>>>> be a reliable table. For the nineteenth century, however, I was able >>>>>> to use multiple sources, including the manuscripts of those who >>>>>> actually served in the health services in Goa and in the medical >>>>>> school. Believe me: the picture that emerges is VERY different from >>>>>> the institutional accounts provided by those who wanted to glorify the >>>>>> school and wrote backwards from the twentieth century, Germano Correia >>>>>> above all. It is totally normal that memorialists of medicine in Goa >>>>>> like Correia tried to provide an image of continuity between the early >>>>>> attempts to teach medicine in the early days of Portuguese rule and >>>>>> what later became the Medical School of Goa. However, there are many >>>>>> gaps in that story, and it is a bit of a stretch to see the separate >>>>>> efforts to promote medical teaching in Goa as a unified process. >>>>>> Correia's account, besides having tremendous leaps in time, minimizes >>>>>> two important elements that kept medicine and health going in Goa >>>>>> through the centuries: (a) local (not necessarily ayurvedic) medical >>>>>> practices and knowledge, and (b) the next door neighbors in Bombay, >>>>>> including the East India Company surgeons and physicians. >>>>>> I will stop here for now, as this is not an academic debate - i just >>>>>> answered your question in good faith. >>>>>> best wishes to everyone and thanks to those who have the paciente to >>>>>> read this. >>>>>> >>>>>> cristiana >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cristiana Bastos >>>>>> Institute of Social Sciences | University of Lisbon | Av Anibal >>>>>> Bettencourt, 9 | 1600-189 Lisboa, Portugal >>>>>> https://cristianabastos.org/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 9:35 PM John de Figueiredo >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Cristiana, >>>>>>> Thank you for your message. >>>>>>> I do not know what primary sources you are referring to. I have based >>>>>>> all my comments on your publications and sources you cited in your >>>>>>> publications and other sources that are also cited. The secondary >>>>>>> sources I cited have primary sources cited in them. >>>>>>> Likewise I would also be happy to be proven wrong if there is >>>>>>> evidence proving that I am wrong. I also have no vested interest in >>>>>>> supporting or not supporting any ideology. I will have other comments >>>>>>> forthcoming and you may want to wait until I am all done. >>>>>>> With best regards, >>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>> John >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 2023, at 2:53 PM, cristiana bastos >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Dr Figueiredo: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is extremely flattering that you are reading my work so closely, >>>>>>>> and I thank you for that, despite the fact that you attribute to >>>>>>>> my person some intentions and opinions that are quite off the mark. >>>>>>>> I have no ideological project and no personal positionality >>>>>>>> regarding these matters. I read documents, manuscripts >>>>>>>> and other sources to come up with my interpretations, in dialogue >>>>>>>> with international and state-of-the-art scholarship, as any scholar >>>>>>>> should do; if you want to refute them, you are fully entitled to do >>>>>>>> so, and I would be very happy to be proven wrong if you find facts >>>>>>>> on primary sources. So far, however, your endnotes only refer to >>>>>>>> secondary sources, which as you know carry the multiple biases of >>>>>>>> their authors. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wishing well to you and to all GRNetters, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> cristiana >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cristiana Bastos >>>>>>>> Institute of Social Sciences | University of Lisbon | Av Anibal >>>>>>>> Bettencourt, 9 | 1600-189 Lisboa, Portugal >>>>>>>> https://cristianabastos.org/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 7:20 PM JOHN DE FIGUEIREDO >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Attached is a document with the title "When did the School start?". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please note that the attached notes are copyrighted. All rights >>>>>>>>> reserved. No part of this series of posts may be copied, reproduced >>>>>>>>> or transmitted by mechanical, electronic or any other means without >>>>>>>>> my prior permission. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The opinions expressed in the attached notes are my own and should >>>>>>>>> not be construed as endorsed by Yale University where I teach or >>>>>>>>> any other organization to which I belong. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> John M. de Figueiredo >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "Goa-Research-Net" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/1058818806.873661.1687112380282%40mail.yahoo.com. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Goa-Research-Net" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/CAJ_erVO_NF8qvHvU2WjQngdk1F9TCgq6%2BKRyAis4E6wPgv6wxA%40mail.gmail.com. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Goa-Research-Net" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/BC84EF1E-A636-4F6D-BA83-127758D4F918%40sbcglobal.net. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Goa-Research-Net" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/CAJ_erVPgb%3Drzg4oCWsmjKA%3DhOSkJwKcbsCPu6bMM0zXXKU4Y8A%40mail.gmail.com. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Roland Francis >>>>> 416-453-3371 >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Goa-Research-Net" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/CA%2Bx1-5TFNuFp7Zb9VS94HeeAau3_3jA4R7Hb-eCJZHhiJfqc7w%40mail.gmail.com. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Goa-Research-Net" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/CAJ_erVNJe_ZsSdRbkAw14xYrS9jqEs_72RvnkFKX1Kvkf816nA%40mail.gmail.com. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Goa-Research-Net" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/C5693022-BD7C-47B6-967C-3E07045271AE%40sbcglobal.net. >> >> -- >> Roland Francis >> 416-453-3371 >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Goa-Research-Net" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/CA%2Bx1-5QPRNAZBgP6JszWdQydbR2Q1_baQXOjb0NgmVZoxq9mfA%40mail.gmail.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Goa-Research-Net" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/211065CD-9ED7-41EB-80BD-2853D99C662B%40sbcglobal.net. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Goa-Research-Net" group. 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