Thank you Carolina, and also for the documents you translated. I am grateful
to those who volunteered. This particular document is tripping up even the most
seasoned translators, as it seems to be high-brow Portuguese with shades of
Brazil in it.
This is the first time I'm working with Portuguese documents. It is very
difficult working with archival documents in which the language is not my
primary language. But luckily I know enough of the language and the historical
context to detect something that is even slightly off. And I have a good set of
academic friends to offer a second and third opinion.
Warm wishes,selma
On Wednesday, 1 November 2023 at 09:23:43 GMT, 'carolina costa' via
Goa-Research-Net <[email protected]> wrote:
“Caixeiro”in Portugal is someone who travels inland to different towns and
villages to sell goods mostly books or medicines. It is also known as “
caixeiro viajante”.If someone works in a shop dealing with money, is called
“caixa”, o caixa or a caixa, depending if male or female.If someone works in an
account office as an accountant, is called contabilista. If the person is
responsible for signing the account documents, is Técnico de Contas, chartered
accountant.Regards, Carolina
Sent from my iPhone
On 1 Nov 2023, at 07:51, Marianne de Nazareth <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
My grandfather left Goa ( Pilerne, Bardez) for Africa --specifically Zanzibar
where my Dad was born. Hipolyto Joaon Furtado (sp?) was an accounts clerk there
for his entire working life.His marriage was arranged with my grandmum from
Mombasa and they retired in Bangalore, India where we, his descendants still
live.
Marianne Furtado de Nazareth
On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 3:33 AM Joao Paulo Cota <[email protected]> wrote:
Catholic Goans in ex-British colonies in Africa were well known for two
specific professions: office clerks and tailors.I did come across these plus
other specific Goan professions on letters and postcards in postal history
examples of Portuguese India, besides other professions like railway clerks,
post office master, tailors, etc. I had chats with elderly folks who had
migrated from East Africa to the UK and was told by one such clerk, that the
British establishment valued Goan clerks with high regards over anybody else.
Apparently their accounting skills were second to none. Zanzibar was mentioned
on these chats.Since the olden styled cash machines were huge box types, and
table document storage units were also box types, hence the word 'caixeiros'
probably derived from 'caixa'.This has nothing to do with Portugal, but it is
pure Goan migration to East Africa at the time.Good luck on your work.Joao
Paulo Cota
From: 'Carvalho' via Goa-Research-Net <[email protected]>
Sent: 30 October 2023 14:59
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Responder: [GRN] caxineiros Sorry, my error, Sandra, it is
caixeiros, which was translated by my translator as cashiers, which I thought
was strange. I've just looked it up again, and the translation is 'clerk' which
would be the more appropriate translation.
Warm wishes,selma
On Monday, 30 October 2023 at 13:58:34 GMT, sandra lobo <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi Selma
Are you sure it is caxineiro and not caixeiros? In Portuguese it refers to the
people of a particular land, Caxinas, in North Portugal, who was by tradition a
fisherman community. It is not a dictionary word and it was not by that time,
as far as I know.
Best wishes
Sandra
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De: 'Carvalho' via Goa-Research-Net <[email protected]>
Enviado: 30 de outubro de 2023 13:00
Para: Goa-Research-Net <[email protected]>
Assunto: [GRN] caxineiros Dear members,
in a 1889 document, there is a notation of 33 Goan caxineiros in Zanzibar.
Could this word be interpreted as anything other than cashiers. It's just that
for a small community it seems an unusual number. I don't want to prompt with
what I think it may mean.
Many thanks,selma
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