Hola Aloha,
Since I am a bit slow in reading and also not following GRN very assiduously
(no particular ill feeling, just never been very assiduous ;-) it's only now
that I discover Frederick had expected a 'studied' rejoinder from me on the
'stolen from the Portuguese' issue.
Well, as 'our Hippie ('from Hell') in Basel', my friend Barbara Strebel always
says "the Dutch are pirates", so no wonder they stole maps from the Portuguese.
Whom, on their turn, were not particularly inclined towards 'open access'
either. I believe there was something like the death penalty in store for
anyone who turned their precious (if imprecise) maps into other hands. So if
you wanted 'm and weren't Portuguese, and in the know/ right circles, you had
to 'hack' them.
The Dutch were also no fan of open access, wether in the info or in the
concrete sense. There was this famous Dutch thinker/philosopher/theoretician
Hugo de Groot ('Grotius') who very conveniently wrote two theoretical treatises
on the 'freedom of the seas' (or not), one on the 'open sea' - that is where
some other power than the Dutch had establish a monopoly, and one on the
'closed sea', where it was the Dutch who had that monopoly, like to and in the
East Indies.
Funny how those days resemble ours ...
But then I am not a historian - and I wrote this out of hands, without research
(hence no refs)
Cheers to all, p+2D!
From: "John de Figueiredo" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, 2 October, 2024 19:07:12
Subject: Re: [GRN] Re: Dutch map ‘stolen from the Portuguese’
SOME Europeans “did everything they could to get their hands on the wealth of
the Asians”. But there were other Europeans (Portuguese) who did not do that
and some who called to task those who stole (like Vasco da Gama when he was
Viceroy of Portuguese India).
John M. de Figueiredo
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 2, 2024, at 11:15 AM, [email protected] wrote:
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At that time, the Europeans did everything they could to get their hands on the
wealth of the Asians. The English, French, Dutch and Portuguese spied on each
other, fought among themselves, conspired and even found allies among the Asian
traitors and informers.
A Rota das Especiarias
de John Keay
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