I don't think even the Arabs can claim to have discovered India. There were the Greeks, Romans, Persians before them.
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 2:22 PM Joao Paulo Cota <[email protected]> wrote: > Quite a few historical books mention about the nature of Portuguese who > went to places like Goa. They were often uneducated, from the country side, > rough, brutes and with hardly any etiquete. > Hence, their needs were obviously more of a very basic nature... > Possibly why race was never an issue to them to have personal > relationships with the native population, as long as their personal needs > were met. > Also, on other reference material, educated Portuguese often made highly > derogatory remarks on the native population, calling them 'barbarians' and > 'savages'. Of course, the average natives of the land would not have any > universities and libraries to get themselves any refined education. Making > such lame comparisons, only showed their lack of intellect and reasoning, > despite having attended schools and colleges. > There is hardly any evidence that these higher class colonisers have > mingled as much with the local 'barbarian' populace, as much as the > uneducated, coloniser 'brutes' did. > Hence there was an unspoken, racial issue based on social class. > Vasco da Gama never discovered India, the arabs did in the 8th century. He > would ha been nowhere if not for the help of the Omani navigator Ibn Majid > who had been requested to guide VDG to the Malabar coast in india in 1498. > Else he would had met the same fate as Colombo the drunkard, who got lost > in the Carribean and assuming he reached India, called the place the West > Indies. > History needs a bit of an update. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* 'Nuno Cardoso da Silva' via Goa-Research-Net < > [email protected]> > *Sent:* 03 October 2024 11:23 > *To:* [email protected] <[email protected] > > > *Subject:* Re: [GRN] Re: Dutch map ‘stolen from the Portuguese’ > > Alberto, > The Portuguese stole as much as any other nation. The Portuguese > difference was the willingness of mixing with other ethnic groups, from the > casual sexual intercourse to marriage and to the ability to "go native". We > might on occasion consider the "natives" primitive, but that never stopped > us from having normal intercourse with them. Considerations of racial > purity never came to our minds. We might not have been very tolerant in > respect of religion, but race differences never bothered us... > > Nuno Cardoso da Silva > > > *Sent:* Thursday, October 03, 2024 at 11:40 AM > *From:* [email protected] > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [GRN] Re: Dutch map ‘stolen from the Portuguese’ > > > John. Vasco (Vasco foi Gamar, as some Portuguese say) attacked ships in > the Indian Ocean, killed their crew and looted everything. Do you think the > Portuguese were different? What do you think of the black slaves from > Africa taken to the American continent? The Inquisition in Goa? You cannot > whitewash the history recorded and archived in France, Venice and Florence > (Italy), the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, India, etc. (The verb Gamar > in Portuguese means to steal). > Alberto, professor aposentado de Historia. > > ----- Mensagem de John de Figueiredo <[email protected]> --------- > Data: Wed, 2 Oct 2024 13:07:12 -0400 > De: John de Figueiredo <[email protected]> > Assunto: Re: [GRN] Re: Dutch map ‘stolen from the Portuguese’ > Para: [email protected] > > > SOME Europeans “did everything they could to get their hands on the wealth > of the Asians”. But there were other Europeans (Portuguese) who did not do > that and some who called to task those who stole (like Vasco da Gama when > he was Viceroy of Portuguese India). > John M. de Figueiredo > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 2, 2024, at 11:15 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Goa-Research-Net" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/20241003114023.Horde.6BLa4iBDfX1aNFlBl36roEL%40mail.sapo.pt > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/20241003114023.Horde.6BLa4iBDfX1aNFlBl36roEL%40mail.sapo.pt?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Goa-Research-Net" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/trinity-15e9c28d-9637-42c8-a0e2-06afbb5f94bd-1727954615409%403c-app-mailcom-bs02 > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/trinity-15e9c28d-9637-42c8-a0e2-06afbb5f94bd-1727954615409%403c-app-mailcom-bs02?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Goa-Research-Net" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/GV2P195MB2161606BEF579F5FE240C1C882712%40GV2P195MB2161.EURP195.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/goa-research-net/GV2P195MB2161606BEF579F5FE240C1C882712%40GV2P195MB2161.EURP195.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Goa-Research-Net" group. 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