Re: [GRN] Re: Dutch map ‘stolen from the Portuguese’

'Mike Pinto' via Goa-Research-Net Fri, 04 Oct 2024 21:42:19 -0700

What was the name of the priest ousted by SFX for bein racist

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  On Fri., 4 Oct. 2024 at 7:17 p.m., John de 
Figueiredo<[email protected]> wrote:   Small correction. Ibn Majid was 
not the Muslim pilot who helped Vasco da Gama according to current 
research.Sometimes connecting the dots is as important as discovering something 
anew. Einstein, Watson, and Crick connected the dots. Vasco da Gama connected 
the dots. This was a major contribution for which he deserves credit. Moreover, 
during his brief tenure as Viceroy (yes, he was in Goa) he took drastic 
measures to end the stealing and the corruption.Nobility also married Goan 
natives or lived with them. An example was Diogo Rodrigues “o do Forte” who 
demolished Hindu temples (and this action of his was condemned by the Senate of 
Goa, then composed only of Portuguese Europeans). He married a Goan woman 
(Hindu converted to Catholicism) and became the owner of a large property in 
Colva’. This so-called “miscegenation” of the Portuguese was condemned by 
Linschoten who was a racist.There was racism (and “castism”) in Goa before the 
arrival of the Portuguese. There was also death by fire in Goa before the 
arrival of the Portuguese, a practice the Portuguese ended. There was racism 
throughout the Portuguese Empire. But my point is that not every Portuguese or 
European who came to Goa was a racist or a thief. Some, like Francis Xavier and 
Luiz de Camões, condemned the stealing and corruption. Francis Xavier fired a 
fellow Jesuit (European) and expelled him from the Society of Jesus Christ 
because he had engaged in a racist behavior against the Goans while he (Xavier) 
was away from Goa.John M. de Figueiredo

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On Oct 4, 2024, at 4:52 AM, Joao Paulo Cota <[email protected]> wrote:

Quite a few historical books mention about the nature of Portuguese who went to
places like Goa. They were often uneducated, from the country side, rough,
brutes and with hardly any etiquete.Hence, their needs were obviously more of a
very basic nature...Possibly why race was never an issue to them to have
personal relationships with the native population, as long as their personal
needs were met.Also, on other reference material, educated Portuguese often
made highly derogatory remarks on the native population, calling them
'barbarians' and 'savages'. Of course, the average natives of the land would
not have any universities and libraries to get themselves any refined
education. Making such lame comparisons, only showed their lack of intellect
and reasoning, despite having attended schools and colleges.There is hardly any
evidence that these higher class colonisers have mingled as much with the local
'barbarian' populace, as much as the uneducated, coloniser 'brutes' did.Hence
there was an unspoken, racial issue based on social class.Vasco da Gama never
discovered India, the arabs did in the 8th century. He would ha been nowhere if
not for the help of the Omani navigator Ibn Majid who had been requested to
guide VDG to the Malabar coast in india in 1498.Else he would had met the same
fate as Colombo the drunkard, who got lost in the Carribean and assuming he
reached India, called the place the West Indies.History needs a bit of an
update.
From: 'Nuno Cardoso da Silva' via Goa-Research-Net
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Sent: 03 October 2024 11:23
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [GRN] Re: Dutch map ‘stolen from the Portuguese’ Alberto,The
Portuguese stole as much as any other nation. The Portuguese difference was the
willingness of mixing with other ethnic groups, from the casual sexual
intercourse to marriage and to the ability to "go native". We might on occasion
consider the "natives" primitive, but that never stopped us from having normal
intercourse with them. Considerations of racial purity never came to our minds.
We might not have been very tolerant in respect of religion, but race
differences never bothered us... Nuno Cardoso da Silva Sent: Thursday, October
03, 2024 at 11:40 AM
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GRN] Re: Dutch map ‘stolen from the Portuguese’
John. Vasco (Vasco foi Gamar, as some Portuguese say) attacked ships in the
Indian Ocean, killed their crew and looted everything. Do you think the
Portuguese were different? What do you think of the black slaves from Africa
taken to the American continent? The Inquisition in Goa? You cannot whitewash
the history recorded and archived in France, Venice and Florence (Italy), the
Netherlands, the United Kingdom, India, etc. (The verb Gamar in Portuguese
means to steal).Alberto, professor aposentado de Historia. ----- Mensagem de
John de Figueiredo <[email protected]> ---------Data: Wed, 2 Oct 2024
13:07:12 -0400De: John de Figueiredo <[email protected]>Assunto: Re:
[GRN] Re: Dutch map ‘stolen from the Portuguese’Para:
[email protected]
SOME Europeans “did everything they could to get their hands on the wealth of
the Asians”. But there were other Europeans (Portuguese) who did not do that
and some who called to task those who stole (like Vasco da Gama when he was
Viceroy of Portuguese India).
John M. de Figueiredo Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 2, 2024, at 11:15 AM, [email protected] wrote:

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