On 2013-03-14, at 1:13 AM, Nick Thieberger <[email protected]> wrote:

> But what if the article is in an OA journal that would like to have the hit 
> count for
> downloads from its site? Is there scope for the mandate to cover only non-OA
> journal articles perhaps?

That would be an exceedingly bad solution, for authors, for their institutions
for their research and for OA.

And institutions would lose a simple, natural, powerful and uniform way to 
monitor
mandate compliance by their authors.

And what's more important: hit/download counts for authors, for their own 
articles,
and for their institutions, or hit/download counts for publishers' sites?

But in any case there's a simple (though silly) compromise:

All articles (whether subscription or Gold, emargoed or not) must be immediately
deposited in the author's institutional repository.

Where the author either wishes to comply with a non-OA publisher's embargo
on Green OA, or with a Gold-OA publisher's desire to have hit/download counts
for its site, access to the deposit need not be made OA (until the embargo
elapses or until the author tires of accommodating publishers' importunate
nonsense).

Stevan Harnad

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> Nick Thieberger
> Editor
> Language Documentation & Conservation Journal
> http://www.nflrc.hawaii.edu/ldc/
> 
> 
> On 14 March 2013 11:16, Stevan Harnad <[email protected]> wrote:
> Full Text: http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/994-.html
> 
> Executive Summary: The proposed HEFCE/REF Open Access [OA] mandate -- that in 
> order to be eligible for REF, the peer-reviewed final draft of all journal 
> articles must be deposited in the author’s institutional repository 
> immediately upon publication, with embargoes applicable only to the date at 
> which the article must be made OA – is excellent, and provides exactly the 
> sort of complement required by the RCUK OA mandate. It ensures that authors 
> deposit immediately and institutionally and it recruits their institutions to 
> monitor and ensure compliance.
>       For journal articles, no individual or disciplinary exceptions or 
> exemptions to the immediate-deposit are needed, but embargo length can be 
> adapted to the discipline or even to exceptional individual cases.
>       Embargo length is even more important for open data, and should be 
> carefully and flexibly adapted to the needs not only of disciplines and 
> individuals, but of each individual research project.
>       Requiring monograph OA if the author does not wish to provide it is not 
> reasonable, but perhaps many or most monograph authors would not mind 
> depositing their texts as Closed Access.
> 
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