Tim, you oversimplify the auditing of green. Try this instead, which is more 
realistic.
For green, an institution needs to:

1) Require the author uploads a file. Timestamp the instant of upload.

(1A) Check that the file gives a citation of a journal or conference published 
article, and that the author is indeed listed as a co-author. You might assume 
this, but not for auditing. EPrints can check this.

(1B) Check that the refereeing policy of the journal or conference complies 
with the funder policy. This is absolutely essential. There are non-compliant 
examples of journals and conferences. More difficult to do with EPrints, but 
possible for most.

(1C) Check that the file is a version (AM or VoR) of the cited published 
article. This requires as a bare minimum checking the author list and the title 
from the website metadata, but for rigorous compliance the institution needs to 
be able to download the VoR for comparison (ie have a subscription or 
equivalent database access). [In Australia we do spot checks, as adequate to 
minimize fraud. Somewhat like a police radar speed gun.] [Google Scholar does 
similar checks on pdfs it finds.] EPrints probably can't help.

2) Make it public after embargo. In other words enforce a compulsory upper 
limit on embargos, starting from the date of upload of uncertain provenance 
(see 3). EPrints can do this.

3) Depending on the importance of dates, check that the upload date of the file 
is no later than the publication date. The acceptance date is unknowable by the 
institution (usually printed on publication in the VoR, but not always), and 
then requires step 1C to determine after the event. Doubtful that EPrints can 
do this.

4) Require every potential author to certify that they have uploaded every 
REF-relevant publication they have produced. Outside EPrints responsibility, 
apart from producing lists on demand for certification.

I just adapted this from your constraints on gold, and common Australian 
practice in the ERA and HERDC, which have long been audited.

Arthur Sale

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Tim Brody
Sent: Monday, 18 March 2013 8:45 PM
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
Subject: [GOAL] Re: Harnad Comments on Proposed HEFCE/REF Green Open Access 
Mandate

On Sat, 2013-03-16 at 08:05 -0400, Stevan Harnad wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 5:14 AM, Graham Triggs 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 

> 
>         2) By definition, everything that you require to audit Gold is
>         open, baked into the publication process, and independent of
>         who is being audited.  The same can not be said for Green.

RCUK and HEFCE will require institutions to report on, respectively, the APC 
fund and REF return.

For gold, an institution needs to:

1) Determine whether the journal policy complies with the funder policy.

2) Run an internal financial process to budget for and pay out the APC.

3) Check whether the item was (i) published (ii) published under the correct 
license.

4) (For REF) take a copy of the published version.

For green, an institution needs to:

1) Require the author uploads a version.

2) Make it public after embargo.


So, actually I think green is easier to audit than gold. Even if it were as you 
say, it will still be the institution that is tasked with auditing. For most 
institutions that will be done through their repository (or cris-equivalent). 
It therefore follows that green (Do I have a public copy?) will be no more 
difficult than gold (Do I have a publisher CC-BY copy?).

(Commercial interest - as EPrints we have built tools to make the REF return 
and are working on systems to audit gold and green for RCUK
compliance.)

--
All the best,
Tim



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