I do not believe they are asking for anything contradictory. We all agree on (1), but when (2) is asking (some) librarians to get out of the way, it means just that they should not interfere with the process of self archiving on the basis of such considerations as scientific quality or any kind of personal judgement. They are welcome to help making the deposit which should be done as fast as possible, in restricted access if required.
> Le 23 sept. 2014 à 16:27, "Richard Poynder" <ri...@richardpoynder.co.uk> a > écrit : > > I suspect that Andrew Adams and Stevan Harnad may be asking for two > contradictory things here. If I understand correctly, they want 1) as near > 100% OA as soon as possible and 2) for librarians to get out of the way so > that researchers can get on and self-archive. Given that many researchers > have shown themselves to be generally uninterested in open access and, in > some cases, directly antagonistic towards it, and given that over half of UK > researchers appear to be unware of whether or not their future articles will > need to be published in accordance with the RCUK policy or not > (http://goo.gl/Y3Lyua) I cannot see how keeping librarians (who have done so > much to fill repositories and to educate researchers about OA) out of the way > (wish 2) is going to help achieve wish 1. > > > From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of > Stevan Harnad > Sent: 23 September 2014 14:33 > To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) > Subject: [GOAL] Re: The Open Access Interviews: Dagmara Weckowska, lecturer > in Business and Innovation at the University of Sussex > > Andrew is so right. > > We did the rounds of this at Southampton, where the library (for obscure > reasons of its own) wanted to do time-consuming and frustrating (for the > author) "checks" on the deposit (is it suitable? is it legal? are the > metadata in order?). In ECS we bagged that right away. And now ECS has "fast > lane" exception in the university repository (but alas other departments do > not). Similar needless roadblocks (unresolved) at UQAM. > > Librarians: I know your hearts are in the right place. But please, please > trust those who understand OA far, far better than you do, that this library > vetting -- if it needs to be done at all -- should be done after the deposit > has already been made (by the author) and has already been made immediately > OA (by the software). Please don't add to publishers' embargoes and other > roadblocks to OA by adding gratuitous ones of your own. > > Let institutional authors deposit and make their deposits OA directly, > without intervention, mediation or interference. Then if you want to vet > their deposits, do so and communicate with them directly afterward. > > P.S. This is all old. We've been through this countless times before. > > Dixit > > Weary Archivangelist, still fighting the same needless, age-old battles, on > all sides... > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Andrew A. Adams <a...@meiji.ac.jp> wrote: > > The challenge now for UK Universities will be to keep librarians out of the > way of reserachers, or their assistants, depositing the basic meta-data and > full text in the repository. At the University of Reading, where I was > involved in early developments around the IR but left the University before > the final deposit mandate (*) was adopted and the process decided on, they > have librarians acting as a roadblock in getting material > uploaded.Thisistotheextentthat a paper published in an electronic proceedings > at a conference was refused permission to be placed in the repository, for > example, while there is a significant delay in deposited materials becoming > visible, while librarians do a host of (mostly useful but just added value > and not necessary) checking. Sigh, empire building and other bureaucratic > nonsense getting in the way of the primary mission - scholarly communications. > > (*) They have a deposit mandate but refuse to call it that. I'm not sure why, > butthey insist on calling it a "policy". If one reads this policy, it's a > mandate (albeit not an ideal one). For a University with an overly strong > management team and a mangerialist approach, this unwillingness to call a > spade a spade and a mandate a mandate, seems odd. Perhaps it's that this > policy came from a bottom up development and not a senior management idea so > they're unwilling to give it a strong name. > > -- > Professor Andrew A Adams a...@meiji.ac.jp > Professor at Graduate School of Business Administration, and > Deputy Director of the Centre for Business Information Ethics > Meiji University, Tokyo, Japan http://www.a-cubed.info/ > > > _______________________________________________ > GOAL mailing list > GOAL@eprints.org > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal > > _______________________________________________ > GOAL mailing list > GOAL@eprints.org > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
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