--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "J. Almeida" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Death Toll Cause 
>50 million Second World War 
>47 million Mao Zedong 
>40 million Mongol Conquests 
>25 million Manchu Conquest 
>20 million Taiping Rebellion 
>20 million Anihilation of the American Indians 
>20 million Iosif Stalin 
>18 million Atlantic Slave Trade 
>17 million Timur 
>15 million First World War 
>9 million Russian Civil War 
>9 million Thuggee 
>7 million Thirty Years War 
>5 million Congo Free State 
>3 million Chinese Civil War 
>
>
>I cannot decide, on the basis of this evidence,
>whether the presence or absence of organized religion
>is associated with large-scale violence and death. My
>neighbour, an elderly Christian widow, is quite fond
>of organized religion: I shall not dissuade her just
>yet.
>

On the basis of this evidence, I can certainly decide that the
presence of organized religion has contributed to at least 16 million
deaths. The blame for 7 million deaths due to the Thirty Years war and
for the 9 million due to Thuggee can be placed squarely on religion.

The Thirty Years War was a religious war between the Catholics and the
Protestants, fought from 1618 through 1648. It was launched by the
Roman Emperor Ferdinand II against Protestantism. Some estimates of
the death toll in this war run as high as 14 million. The population
of Germany was reduced to one third of its original level at the end
of the war. 

Thuggee was and is still practiced in India in the name of the Hindu
goddess Kali. Victims of thuggee are believed to be human sacrifices
to this goddess. The killing done in accordance with the proper
religious ritual involves strangling a traveller to death, and
stealing his/her belongings.

Having said that, I do not believe we should get rid of religions,
despite all the horrible things that happen in their name, because
they are also responsible for a lot of good. I only feel that we
should reform them, and rethink what they stand for in the modern
society. But like Sunila, I would most definitely want to get rid of
all religious barriers between people. I am particularly troubled that
even in this day and age all major religions and religious regimes
continue to restrict our freedom of thought and expression.

Cheers,

Santosh

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