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For the record, I confirm what I wrote earlier. India's GDP was in 2001, US $ 481 bn, at market exchange rates. Portugal's GDP in the same year was US $ 110 bn, also at market exchange rates. It is easy to conclude that India's GDP was only 4 times bigger than Portugal's in that year. This indicator (nominal GDP) is the most used in international statistics. I got it from "The Economist" (country briefings/factsheet).If Neal Pinto is using a different indicator, namely GDP at PPP, he should make it clear to goanetters. However, the fact remains that what I wrote is absolutely true, to India's shame.
As for Portugal, yes it is not among the richest countries in Europe. But being "one of the poorest in Western Europe" means nothing nowadays. "Western Europe" is a concept of the cold-war era, long gone. Nobody in Europe would use that expression meaningfully.It could perhaps designate the richest part of Europe. In the new continental context however, Portugal is far from being among the poorest countries.
In relation to Goa being part of India, I never said a word about it and I do not wish to be drawn into that discussion, although I have my own opinion on that. I consider it a non-issue. Goans in Goa seem to be contented with their lot.They welcomed the "liberators", they accepted being brainwashed, they gave up their distinct identity (which even Nehru talked of preserving), so I think they got what they deserved in a big way. I would rather talk about East Timor and how a valiant people conquered their freedom and created a new nation (with Portugal's unswerving support).
Rui Colla�o Lisboa
From: "Neal Pinto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Look at Portugal???? Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:04:07 -0500 (EST)
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For the record, India's GDP is approximately 14 times bigger than Portugal (although I agree that it still doesn't account for the population difference).
I never suggested that Portugal was worse off than India. I simply asked IF Goa would have been better off. I've never believed that Goa stood a chance of being an entity completely independent of both India and Portugal.
I have been born and raised in Canada so the Indian authorities never had a chance to "brainwash" me. I've just observed countless Goans passionately reject any connection to India (or its people) as if they look in the mirror each morning and pray for their skin to lighten.
My perception could have been incorrect but I sensed that there was a bit of pretentiousness in referring to Goa now being part of "third-world sewage". Portugal may be rich when compared to India on the points of GDP vs. population but, in the context of western-Europe, Portugal is one of the poorest countries.
As far as using the example of Macau as how a Portuguese colony has remained successful, I can't comment. How similar (or different) were the Goan and Macanese economic models? What has the extent of Portuguese influence been on Macau compared to Goa and what were the differences in their dependence on Portugal? Basically, can they be compared directly?
Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com
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Well said - thank you guys.
Ivor (Samora)
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>The U.K. is considered one of the richest countries in the world. the
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>or London is greater than Sweden.
>Check your facts before you shoot!
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>Cheers Gabe Menezes
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>Mr. Pinto, you talk about looking at Portugal. Well, indeed, why not? I
>invite you and all other brainwashed Goans to take a good look at Portugal.
>Have you ever set foot in this country? I doubt very much. You may be in
for
>the shock of your life. You are probably part of that generation of Goans
>that was thoroughly brainwashed by the Indian authorities (they are very
>good at that), and believe Portugal to be a poor and backward country. In
>fact, some people in Goa think that Portugal is poorer than....India! Such
>levels of ignorance are tragic. We are indeed poor, compared to Norway or
>Switzerland, but then the UK also is! However, by Indian standards, we
>should be very rich. I would like to inform you that Portugal's GDP is
>around US $ 130 bn, for a population of 10 million. India, with more than
>100 times that population, has a GDP only about 4 times bigger!!!So who's
>poor?
>It would be interesting to know what "look" at Portugal you had in mind.
>If you want to make comparisons, let's get down to it. Some things that are
>said about Portugal on goanet make those who say them look quite
ridiculous,
>in this Information Era!
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>>Look at Portugal right now. Do you think Goa would have been any better
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>>Neal Pinto
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>>From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bernado=20Colaco?= [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>The benefits of post 1961 are the brainwashing young
>>Goans by the bharati serkar, to accept that it is OK
>>for Goa to be part of a third world country.
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>>Do these pro-indian Goans want Goa to be part of a
>>third world sewage?
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>>Goencho fudar fokot bharati sekarachea suteao zaun!
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