My response to the message from a Brazilian, Pedro Kaul, transmitted by Gabe
with

English translation, is that India is not Brasil!  Nostalgia is not the best

way of explaining historical realities!

(1) The pre-Portuguese cultural situation in India was not similar to that

of Brasil, and the Iberians could not do a short work of these

pre-Portuguese cultures as they did in South America. The Goan deputy to

Portuguese Parliament, the famous doctor Forilano de Melo, was stating in
the

Portuguese parliament in March 1946, reacting against the colonial

discrimation of the Acto Colonial: "Portugal em 1946 n�o v� descobrir

*indigenas* na India, quando Vasco da Gama os n�o descobriu em 1498!" [Let

not Portugal  find "indigenas" in India in 1946 if Vasco da Gama did not

discover them in 1498]

(2) Also the designation "luso-Indians" is not applicable to India as it

does perhaps to "luso-Brazilians", at least numerically. Could this Pedro

Kaul tell us how many luso-indians did he find in India? Or is he

identifying all the native Christians with his luso-indians? Is the

qualifier an ethnic connotation or merely cultural?

(3) If it is a mere cultural connotation, how may native Christians [however

they may have been converted!] could earn their living within the frontiers

of Portuguese India without having to resort to English language? 

The popularity of English among Goans is explained by the need of physical 

survival migrating to British India and other British colonies! Did Pedro

Kaul wish them to die speaking Portuguese? The above mentioned MP in the

Portuguese parliament provided detailed statistics of the English schools

growing in Goa (while the Lyceum languished!) in his intervention of 24 Jan.

1947. He listed  63 private English schools in Goa employing 389 local

teachers and 71 foreigners. They had a total of 8890 pupils! That meant 22

times more than those who frequented the Portuguese lyceum!

This much should suffice for Pedro Kaul to re-think his nostalgia and the

popularity of English language among the Goans.

Teotonio R. de Souza

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1503/lusof_goa.html

 

>

> Gabe.

>

> Wimbledon - London

> England.

 

Something I received just minutes earlier:

 

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  Data: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:13:24 -0300 (ART)

       De: Pedro Kaul <pedrokaul

(Brasil,Florian�polis)

  Assunto: Valores portugueses introduzidos na �ndia.

 

Eis, a seguir, sentimentos de um cidad�o lus�fono,

sobre a ex-�ndia Portuguesa:

- Um mixto de nostalgia e tristeza � o que sinto toda

vez que percebo que est�o a se esvair, sobretudo nas

�ltimas cinco d�cadas, os valores portugueses

introduzidos em Goa, Dam�o e Diu ao longo de quase

cinco s�culos.

- Particularmente entristecedor, e que tem at� um

certo toque de rid�culo (sim, exatamente de rid�culo

!), � o fato de ver a L�ngua Portuguesa

substitu�da, nessas regi�es, pelo Ingl�s. ( Porque

dizer, por exemplo, "St. Xavier�s College" e n�o

Col�gio de S�o Francisco Xavier ?). Melhor

seria que, abandonando o Portugu�s, os luso-indianos

(ou melhor, os ex-luso-indianos) conservassem

unicamente suas l�nguas nativas, por exemplo o

Concani, no caso de Goa. O Ingl�s que, por decis�o

pol�tica, na �ndia, anulou o Portugu�s, acabar�, de

uma maneira ou de outra, por causar um mal cultural

maior a esse pa�s: o desaparecimento de suas l�nguas

nativas.

Estou certo ou estou errado ?

 

Pedro

 

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A quick translation of the above for the

Portuguese-challenged:

 

Following are the feelings of a lusophone citizen on

the ex-India Portuguesa:

- a mixture of nostalgia and sadness that I feel every

time I come to know that the portuguese values

introduced in Goa, Damao & Diu over the past 5

centuries that are being drained, especially in the

last 5 decades;

- paricularly saddening, and to a certain extent

ridiculous, is the fact that the Portuguese Language

is being substituted, in these regions, by English.

(Why does one say, for example, "St. Xavier's College"

and not Col�gio de S�o Francisco Xavier ?).  It would

have been better if the luso-Indians (or better the

ex-luso-Indians) had they conserved their native

languages, e.g. Konkani in the case of Goa.  The

English language, by way of a political decision in

India, has put an end to the Portuguese language (in

Goa, Damao & Diu), and will result (similarly), in one

way or another, in bringing about a large cultural

evil to that country - the disappearance of its native

languages.

 

 


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