Fred--

The question is more complex than I had realized when I dashed off that little note about the thinking in Goa of our older folks (including my grandmother) with the reference to Manoj Raikar's concerns. I am surprised that it did not elicit more comment besides yours and Elizabeth's. When I was growing up in Goa it was apparent to anyone with a pair of eyes of the obvious divide and acceptance of that condition by both sides; and there must be a soul or two at least in this forum who have had an experience akin to mine.

Fast forward to the present. I was invited to be on the managing committee of our local Goan Associaion in New York and in retrospect it was a huge mistake to have acepted the assignment. When it was time for the yearly election of a new committee a Hindu gentleman whom I had sponsored to the committee decided to run for president and asked for my support which I offered without hesitation. He was also encouraged by others on the committee who were Catholics. As became apparent later with the exception of one other it was just a veneer, if you know what I mean. When word got around that this gentleman was in the running for pesident, all hell broke loose. There were phone calls and private confabulations and the concern among the community was "how can we have a konknno for president!" And the then president who had encouraged the Hindu was himself up front canvassing for the office for himself and spearheading the effort to smear. A meeting was called by the now expresident and his cohorts (to be followed by a picnic) where a new self-serving constitution was railroaded without proper procedures and the necessary quorum. When questions were raised about the procedures or lack of them, members, including myself, were shouted down with expletives and threatened with physical assault. The proceedings were rushed and a new Catholic defrocked priest installed as president! The proceedings at the meeing and subsequent picnic are well chronicled in a report from one Joy Braganza on Goanet. So the matter of trust and veracity remains in question; I have also been falsely accused in this forum and another by an ostensible Hindu, as being the author of that report --which incidentally, is quite innocuous although this person who uses the pseudonym Joy Braganza has a reputation for being a vicious character assassin in the past. False accusations such as the one made against me does not exactly engender trust and confidence and remove barriers.

I do wish to reiterate the need for reconciliation and a retreat from smugness -- but the question remains, will it ever happen?

Chris


----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick [FN] Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan 'Kokno' used derogatorily


In theory, the word "Konknno" means "from the Konkan". So the term should apply for all of us. But that's not the way it works.

In reality, a number of Konkani words have strong pejorative, class, or demeaning connotations. For instance: poder (not just a baker), Gaudo (I've heard this word used almost like a swear-word at the assembly, after a journalist was threatened with a breach-of-priviledge action), Bamon (not just a caste-name), Bardezkar (not just someone from a particular locality), kharvi (not just a fisherman, but all the connotations of class... any wonder why some young lad would prefer to work as a hotel waiter instead?) etc...

What Chris talks about below also probably has a lot to do with class. There was a time when Hindus in Goa were (except for a tiny, rich business-landlord elite) largely socio-economically poor. There are probably reasons for this. Robert S Newman, the Marblehead-based anthropologist, says Hindus were disallowed from even holding a simple schoolteacher's job in the government till the Portuguese (more egalitarian) Republican Revolution of 1910. Hindu out-migration (abroad) didn't happen in large numbers as among the Catholics too.

(I think Theo or some other historians have however also written about the Hindu control of the colonial economy; but this of course did not cover the majority of community. On the other hand, one also needs to point to certain post-1961 trends where certain governments such as Kakodkar's and Parrikar's sought to continue the old policy of discrimination ... but in reverse. The issue of minority employment in government, specially in some departments like the Police, are matters of largely-unaddressed concern today.)

Anyway, that is another point....

Chris, was I mistaken when I read a trace of the suggestion that the "mistrust" of your grandmum and her "compatriots" was somehow justified? In my view, all communities in Goa, as in other parts of our complex subcontinent, tend to have stereotypes about each other.

These steroetypes are, as the Xavier's Institute of Communication said in a fascinating training kit against stereotypes, were "partly true and wholly false".

There's no need for us to feel smug about this. FN

Chris Vaz chrisvaz at optonline.net

I would dare to suggest that the appellation "konknno" belongs to a bygone
era when there was mistrust between Hindus and Catholics in Goa.  My
grandmother (may she RIP) and her compatriots would never trust Hindus even though on the surface they appeared to be cordial, engage in commerce, and
would caution us not to believe or consort with Hindus.

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