Hi Venatio and Philip, It is always a pleasure to participate in a dialogue where Goans are talking economics and not merely throwing stones at each other. I am not familiar with all the MBA economic theories you guys are engaged in. Having said that, this supurlo Goenkar was wondering where is the beef in your arguments apropos to the real world of 20th and 21th century?
Does one want to go back to the 19th century when flying for necessity was difficult and flying for pleasure out of the question? Most communities which depend on a tourist season, long for that time of the year. It is the survival of their community and working relatives. The older population that are not directly dependant on tourist jobs, take advantage of the situation. They either get into bread-and-breakfast or rent their homes for sky-high rents. And then visit their relatives; while making some income. The issue for all is to be innovative instead of being cry-babies, - wanting our cake and eat it too! Likely the innovative ones are doing just that, flocking to Goa to make a living during the tourist season. If the tourist season is high-priced, looks like someone is making their YEARLY income in four to six months, (not unlike a tarvoti). Some may move to the next tourist destination as seasons change. In the USA, this may even apply to the senior citizens. Recently I saw this on another site and it may apply here: There are three types of Goenkars: Those who MAKE things happen! Those who WATCH things happen! and those who WONDER what happened! Kind Regards, GL ------------- Venantius Pinto "I have the sneaking suspicion that we are prisoners here during this season." -------------------- Philip Thomas Looks like the Great Screw Goa campaign has begun. Milk anyone wanting to Goa. Pardon my lingo, but this is how I see it. venantius There's no need to be so melodranatic, Venantius. Its basically a question of supply and demand. If Goa is unable or unwilling to increase supply of capacity at Dabolim (because it cant or wont deal with the Navy and/ or the civil aviation ministry) then fares are bound to go sky high during the season which is almost synonymous with Goa among high fliers. I thought your first line would be a complaint about the lack of tourist business to Goa. Maybe you are unhappy about the air fares middle class Goans have to bear to go in and out. Rightly so. I can fully empathise with the feeling on this count. I have the sneaking suspicion that we are prisoners here during this season. --------------------- Its not melodrama, nor is it ridicule on my part, Philip. You text was factual, mine was being acerbic in short form -- heckling power (it comes in different forms as we see daily) and those who believe that anything can be simply explained away. Its through a response, such as yours, that we can start to better appreciate our concerns. In terms of emotive congruency, I belive our sentiments are in sync. But, it is not even about supply and demand if one was to interpret those words as anything other than the discreet algorithm of economic "reality." That is a fine economic construct which we have been forced to sawllow and believe in. Capitalism does not have to be allocated the profit margins that one has got used to. Times are different, so the greed levels (or initiative levels) can and must change. But this system has indeed arrogated such profits to itself. OK , I am a fossil, but hear me out. Those monies always goes to the top executives; for doing what -- playing at supply and demand? Take most products and break them down, production wise, service wise, quality wise. After doing so, one is left wondering how does the pricing work! I do not mean the part about branding. My complaint is not about tourism -- whether the lack or excess of it. This is not the time to spell my views on that subject. But briefly, even for there to be an industry such as tourism, there has to be inculcated a strand of identity among our people (its already a bit late), self, and how it dovetails into Goaness; what does it mean to make a living, or to profit, or to have citizens realize their dreams by suggesting the path of tourism as a means of livelihood. The travel prices are most certainly a concern. And these rates affect cetain people in specific ways (not saying it is planned, since I do not have proof). There are those who appear to do reasonably well, but cannot just drop money -- the "working class" Goans working on ships, those in the Gulf and from others wage earning realities, whose remuneration cannot absorb fluctuation's, including, prices being raised. |My concern is rarely for myself. I am pretty ingrained in undestanding brutality and have learned to make life decisions. I just realized that I have never flown into or out of Goa, although I have been planning to fly to Goa this time. But it is not even that, so I will give an analogous example. Its about a kind of existence that is so voracious; although we are left with calling it supply and demand --- a construction of the meanest order -- which is the new reality. A few years ago, I observed the following separately over a duration of two hours each, at three fish markets in Goa. I saw people, including older folk who would just go in circles -- approaching fish vendors and then going away dejected. They would come back in 20 or so minutes, and go away. Why? With the prices going up (supply and demand) they were seeing the fish disappear right before their eyes, bought by people for whom those prices were acceptable. People of lesser means are seeing less and less show up on their tables. One cannot blame people who have money, nor the idea of free enterprise, but one could certainly have see how the path that Goa was led into, or went along with would directly impact society This has to to do with policies; normally put into place to prevent or at least alleviate similar stories or horrors. Imagine when it becomes hard to buy books, or a basic cup of tae or coffee (not Barrista, et al). The list gets compounded. You are absolutely correct when you say, The season will soon strectch into the new normal. Not understandably, on account of basic inflation, but because this caca is getting Malthusian. And our political juggernauts/jagganaths are not interested in crating good policies, they are all about politics. The political appointees will not even let the bureaucrats do their jobs. Except perhaps, when there is a flood. Your last point about moving to the open spaces holds even more true. I will follow this note with a protest letter I put out to my superiors on Open Spaces (work environment). Its another worthy analogy. Venantius > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:57:08 +0530 > From: "Philip Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <Looks like the Great Screw Goa campaign has begun. Milk anyone wantingto > Goa. Pardon my lingo, but this is how I see it.venantius> > > There's no need to be so melodranatic, Venantius. Its basically a question > of supply and demand. If Goa is unable or unwilling to increase supply of > capacity at Dabolim (because it cant or wont deal with the Navy and/ or the > civil aviation ministry) then fares are bound to go sky high during the > season which is almost synonymous with Goa among high fliers. > > I thought your first line would be a complaint about the lack of tourist > business to Goa. Maybe you are unhappy about the air fares middle class > Goans have to bear to go in and out. Rightly so. I can fully empathise with > the feeling on this count. I have the sneaking suspicion that we are > prisoners here during this season. Else we have to be prepared to get behind > a wheel (or hire a driver to do so or maybe even take a personal taxi) and > head for the wide open spaces. Which ever way it is we will be screwed, > right? Cheers. > ------------- Message: 12 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:22:46 -0500 From: "Venantius Pinto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Cheaper to fly abroad than to Goa To: "Goanet Mail list" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Its not melodrama, nor is it ridicule on my part, Philip. You text was factual, mine was being acerbic in short form -- heckling power (it comes in different forms as we see daily) and those who believe that anything can be simply explained away. Its through a response, such as yours, that we can start to better appreciate our concerns. In terms of emotive congruency, I belive our sentiments are in sync. But, it is not even about supply and demand if one was to interpret those words as anything other than the discreet algorithm of economic "reality." That is a fine economic construct which we have been forced to sawllow and believe in. Capitalism does not have to be allocated the profit margins that one has got used to. Times are different, so the greed levels (or initiative levels) can and must change. But this system has indeed arrogated such profits to itself. OK , I am a fossil, but hear me out. Those monies always goes to the top executives; for doing what -- playing at supply and demand? Take most products and break them down, production wise, service wise, quality wise. After doing so, one is left wondering how does the pricing work! I do not mean the part about branding. My complaint is not about tourism -- whether the lack or excess of it. This is not the time to spell my views on that subject. But briefly, even for there to be an industry such as tourism, there has to be inculcated a strand of identity among our people (its already a bit late), self, and how it dovetails into Goaness; what does it mean to make a living, or to profit, or to have citizens realize their dreams by suggesting the path of tourism as a means of livelihood. The travel prices are most certainly a concern. And these rates affect cetain people in specific ways (not saying it is planned, since I do not have proof). There are those who appear to do reasonably well, but cannot just drop money -- the "working class" Goans working on ships, those in the Gulf and from others wage earning realities, whose remuneration cannot absorb fluctuation's, including, prices being raised. |My concern is rarely for myself. I am pretty ingrained in undestanding brutality and have learned to make life decisions. I just realized that I have never flown into or out of Goa, although I have been planning to fly to Goa this time. But it is not even that, so I will give an analogous example. Its about a kind of existence that is so voracious; although we are left with calling it supply and demand --- a construction of the meanest order -- which is the new reality. A few years ago, I observed the following separately over a duration of two hours each, at three fish markets in Goa. I saw people, including older folk who would just go in circles -- approaching fish vendors and then going away dejected. They would come back in 20 or so minutes, and go away. Why? With the prices going up (supply and demand) they were seeing the fish disappear right before their eyes, bought by people for whom those prices were acceptable. People of lesser means are seeing less and less show up on their tables. One cannot blame people who have money, nor the idea of free enterprise, but one could certainly have see how the path that Goa was led into, or went along with would directly impact society This has to to do with policies; normally put into place to prevent or at least alleviate similar stories or horrors. Imagine when it becomes hard to buy books, or a basic cup of tae or coffee (not Barrista, et al). The list gets compounded. You are absolutely correct when you say, " I have the sneaking suspicion that we are prisoners here during this season." The season will soon strectch into the new normal. Not understandably, on account of basic inflation, but because this caca is getting Malthusian. And our political juggernauts/jagganaths are not interested in crating good policies, they are all about politics. The political appointees will not even let the bureaucrats do their jobs. Except perhaps, when there is a flood. Your last point about moving to the open spaces holds even more true. I will follow this note with a protest letter I put out to my superiors on Open Spaces (work environment). Its another worthy analogy. Venantius > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:57:08 +0530 > From:
