Hi Andrin, you are right, maybe "unhappy" is more emotional expression, but I cant find any other word to express it in a nice way probably because my English is not so rich :)
>"Who is really angry with GAE team should answer these negative questions" I didn't say that! I don't even talk about the team nor blaming them in the questionnaire (you are right, not petition!), read what it says: Purpose if this form is to found out how many of you are "unhappy" with GAE platform and why, so we could measure what is the scale and find out the main issues and when collectively report to GAE team. I really appreciate what they did so far, their support here is great but you need to be lucky to get the answer, my point was to find people in the similar situation I was watching this mail group and found many negative emails, and in most cases they are ignored by google, so my approach was a bit different. So if you are happy with everything don't even bother writing here, save your time, better have a cup of tea or go and enjoy the sun! Rgds, Andrius On 25 November 2011 08:27, Andrin von Rechenberg <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Andrius > > I completely disagree with your: > *Lets fill in this form collectively and get things moving rather than being > ignored* > > We have this mailing list, we have stack overflow, we have office hours > with the AppEngine team. I've never had a problem getting an answer > from the AppEngine team when I asked the question using the right > way (Mailing list / Issue tracker / Office hours). > > Btw, is your thing a petition or a questionnaire? > > If it's a "petition", then it doesn't really make sense and you should just > make use of the competition (Amazon, Rackspace, whatever...). > > If this is a questionnaire and you really care about helping the GAE > team to improve the service, then your approach of: > "Who is really angry with GAE team should answer these negative > questions" won't be really helpful. It wont be representative, it will > just be a list of rants and mostly unqualified because they are emotional. > I'd be more than happy and thankful to fill out an "Help improve AppEngine" > questionnaire that asks diverse questions in a neutral way and I'm sure > GAE team would be very interested in the results and will listen carefully > if you present these real results rather than a mail full of unqualified > rants. > > Cheers, > -Andrin, not to be confused with Andrius > > PS (again): Sending lists of unanswered threads to the list doesn't work. > File bugs in the issue tracker. GAE team can't look through all threads > and see if they are resolved. That's why they offer us an issue tracker. > > > On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Andrius A <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Brian, >> >> I am not happy because 2.7 is still experimental but pricing is >> increased, and I will be even more unhappy if by 1st December with fronted >> price increase python 2.7 will still be experimental. >> >> and to add to this there are more production issues I was writing but >> unfortunately haven't received an answer. Here is the list: >> >> 1) Broken backends in SDK: >> http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-python/browse_thread/...<http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-python/browse_thread/thread/cf37410a6cf45283/425548774212402f%3Fq%3D%23425548774212402f&usg=AFQjCNHiAuNVzUPyZFKcbjg_7YF83qfjDA> >> >> >> 2) Unexplained random frontend response latency: >> http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/browse_thread/thread/...<http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/browse_thread/thread/ad3c7473b34152ba/d187cb8acc295066%3Fq%3D%23d187cb8acc295066&usg=AFQjCNGAbz_N7V41eK_bJOVpVamfBrY0xg> >> >> >> 3) Memcache expiry time setting bug: >> http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/browse_thread/thread/...<http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/browse_thread/thread/d0dca5913d33f3d1/bfd9117ad45ba516%3Fq%3D%23bfd9117ad45ba516&usg=AFQjCNGTzoND8L5rybwCrVGlcUKL8ml_lw> >> >> >> 4) Channel API not working in backends: >> http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=5123<http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail%3Fid%3D5123&usg=AFQjCNGf37hfVjHzH50xrXasmAfLdW1v-A> >> (Issue >> raised in May 27) >> 5) Cant delete tasks from Backends: >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine-python/browse_thread/thread/f1f674891cb5a2c1/9895847d1525d9e1#9895847d1525d9e1 >> >> Thanks, >> Andrius >> >> On 24 November 2011 20:33, Brian Quinlan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Andrius, >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Andrius A <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Yes, we all do mistakes and GAE platform is great. But this thread is >>> not >>> > about this discussion. So if you have any outstanding issues fill in >>> the >>> > form! >>> > >>> > Personally I can't understand how you can be happy with price increase >>> and >>> > production issues with python 2.7 >>> >>> As an experimental release, we were expecting significant issues with >>> the Python 2.7 runtime (i.e. instability, missing features, >>> performance problems) and I've actually been pleasantly surprised at >>> how few have been found (thanks to everyone for helping us test!). >>> >>> Are you unhappy with Python 2.7 production issues because we didn't >>> adequately explain that you might experience problems when using it? >>> Or is there some other reason? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Brian >>> >>> > I totally believe that for hosting just html in app engine is great >>> but if >>> > you try using more apis such as backends, channels, task queues you >>> will >>> > come up to lots of problems. >>> > >>> > On Nov 24, 2011 12:10 PM, "Simon Knott" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Hi, >>> >> In my experience on the GAE forums, a lot of "unhappy" developers I >>> see >>> >> are actually the people who don't understand the GAE architecture and >>> have >>> >> poorly designed applications for the environment. Their applications >>> are >>> >> subsequently slow and/or expensive to run, for example because they >>> haven't >>> >> denormalised their data structure or they've indexed every property >>> under >>> >> the sun, and they then lay the blame on Google. I personally applaud >>> the >>> >> development team who provide adhoc support on these forums, as they >>> have far >>> >> more patience than I have! >>> >> I'm not saying that there couldn't be some improvements to the support >>> >> channels for genuine issues with the service and I would love to have >>> a more >>> >> tiered structure, as someone has suggested in the last day, so that >>> smaller >>> >> companies could get support for less money, within a larger SLA. It >>> will be >>> >> interesting to see who responds to your questionnaire and the >>> complaints >>> >> that are aired. >>> >> >>> >> Cheers, >>> >> Simon >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> >> "Google App Engine" group. >>> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/WRUFpsUp6IcJ. >>> >> To post to this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >> [email protected]. >>> >> For more options, visit this group at >>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> > "Google App Engine" group. >>> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> . >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> > [email protected]. >>> > For more options, visit this group at >>> > http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Google App Engine" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. >>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Google App Engine" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Google App Engine" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. 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