Dmitry, I agree that they've taken something good that works well and changed it. I disagree that they've transformed it into something that doesn't. There are almost certainly bugs; I hope people like you, who have apparently found several of them, will contribute by helping the team find and squash them.
I also disagree about the "you don't hear your users" issue. Right now we're three weeks into the new platform, and we currently have practice mode and code downloads as *new features* in that time, while they're also making sure the new platform works under load. I don't imagine those features would have come out so quickly if there weren't so many people excited about them. I think it's fair to disagree. I also think that if lots of people disagree, a compromise might be reached. Different sites have different philosophies on that -- I've taken advantage of TopCoder's open input data, and been challenged by UVA's closed data, before. One final thought: It's good that you're excited about this, but please remember the human behind the keyboard. Pablo and the whole team are working on Code Jam as a labour of love. There's other stuff they could be doing at Google, and most of them are 20%ers. They're doing this because they're excited about it and passionate about it, and it can be hard when you're in that position to get harsh feedback. Sincerely, Bartholomew On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 3:04 PM Dmitry Kuzminov <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > There are many bugs in your platform (there are, believe me). Your thesis "you > are going to be unprepared" may be propagated to "you are going to be > unprepared to the fact that we have fixed the bugs": so why fix them? > And you are right: I dislike your UI. This is very similar to Microsoft > who has acquired Skype and did it best to make it worse (I believe that > most of people would agree with me about Skype). That is very sad that > Google starts taking good things that work well and transform them to the > things that don't. That's ok with me that you have introduce new rules: the > problem is that you don't hear your users. > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 4:38 PM, 'Pablo Heiber' via Google Code Jam < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Practicing in a different way than how you compete is bound to cause you >> trouble. If you resort to seeing the input data when you don't know why >> something is not working well, you are going to be unprepared when that >> happens in a contest. >> >> Also, some people spend a lot more time using our site to practice than >> to compete (some don't like the time pressure of the competitive pressure >> of an actual contest, for instance). And that's totally fine. And we want >> those users to be as well prepared to be programmers as we can, in the same >> way we want the test to reflect programming as accurately as possible, as >> I've already mentioned. >> >> It's totally fine if you disagree with these arguments, in the same way >> you have every right to dislike the UI or any other of our choices. I hope >> that you can still find good value in Code Jam despite those differences. >> >> Best, >> Pablo >> >> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 1:26 PM Дмитрий Кузьминов < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Pablo, >>> >>> There are many other things aside of an incorrect algorithm that can be >>> the reason of the "Wrong answer" verdict: precision, output format, case >>> sensitivity, trailing spaces... Due to the fact that the system is >>> completely new for us, we need to debug our code templates to get sure that >>> the rest is OK while the only thing we need to concern is the algorithm >>> itself. For now I experience lack of information at least for the Edgy >>> Baking problem. >>> >>> On Friday, April 27, 2018 at 1:11:57 PM UTC-4, Pablo Heiber wrote: >>> > Hi Alex, >>> > >>> > >>> > We've been asked this several times, and our policy is not to reveal >>> test data. If you are interested about the reasoning, you can refer to old >>> threads in this group that discuss the topic, like this one. >>> > >>> > >>> > Best, >>> > Pablo >>> > >>> > >>> > On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 9:47 AM Alex Wice <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Please make input/output test case data available after contests end, >>> when appropriate (non-interactive problems.) 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