Hi David, I'm new too, I don't know much about GWT. I'll risk stating the obvious here, but I think the Google sample CSS templates can maybe get you started? They are pretty standard google looks. :) http://gwt.google.com/samples/Showcase/Showcase.html
Cheers, tomato On Dec 7, 7:17 am, "Ian Bambury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are not really going to get what you want with any web language although > some of the frameworks will let you look like all the other sites that use > that framework, and the 'instant web site' and 'web site in a box' > applications will let you choose from a number of themes. > > Desktop apps have a look and feel because they are extending the OS and for > a long time you had no choice as to what they looked like, you could only > move stuff around the window - even the widgets were/are standard like the > file-picker in VB et al. There's more freedom in the web, but the price is > that you have to do a bit of work. > > GWT *does* let you 'just use Java'. You are picking a very specific use of > Java and saying you can't use it like that. Like complaining that you can't > use a pencil for sketching because it doesn't draw circles properly like it > does when it's in a compass :-) > > GWT aims to let you write Java and get JavaScript - it does that. It doesn't > claim to have you write Java and get CSS or images. > > Ian > > http://examples.roughian.com > > 2008/12/7 David Hoffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Hi Gregor, > > > Thanks for the reply. I don't disagree with what you say, I'm sure I > > do need to learn CSS and specifically how GWT makes use of it. > > > However I do want to point out that I think Google missed it a little > > in this area. The fundamental selling point of GWT for us at least is > > that we can stay with our well known programing language/technique > > (Java) and write a high quality web app as well. Actually in our case > > we are taking it one step further our app is implemented in both Swing > > and GWT. The Swing & GWT UI layers are as thin as possible, all the > > business logic is shared between both implementations. You can think > > of our app as a pure MVC app where the M & C are shared and only the > > view is separate code. > > > However since GWT did not let us set the L&L in Java code its not > > really true that you can just use Java. Perhaps there are reasons for > > this I will understand when I learn CSS but I would have preferred > > that GWT provide some satisfactory L&L right out of the box and also > > allow developers to write specialized CSS. > > > You are right that web apps don't typically behave like platform apps > > (Windows, Mac), I was only using those as examples. The simple GWT > > style could be something else. > > > I will check out Ian's web site and see if I can get up to speed on CSS > > quickly. > > > -Dave > > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 6:32 AM, gregor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > I think you really need to get to grips with CSS, the HTML box model > > > and learn to use GIMP/Photoshop to work effectively with GWT - or hire > > > a graphic designer to get you off the ground. As Ian says, you get the > > > L&F for free in Swing, SWT or .NET, but you don't in javascript/HTML > > > > JS libraries with GWT wrappers like the Ext family and SmartGWT offer > > > out of the box windows L&F and widget sets. But this comes at a heavy > > > price in terms of performance since it all has to be meticulously > > > drawn in HTML bit by teeny bit. They may look very pretty, but your > > > users will soon tire of that if they have to wait seconds for the app > > > to respond every time they click a button. > > > > I would revisit your UI design strategy and assumptions. IMO you do > > > not need to slavishly follow windows idioms to write a good business > > > application UI in GWT - and GWT apps work like greased lightning if > > > you don't. You just need to think out of the box and play to javacript/ > > > DHTML and the browser's strengths rather than fight against the grain > > > of how they work. > > > > Another thing to consider is that most everyone knows the difference > > > between a desktop app and a web app - they use both every day - so > > > they are comfortable with both styles. The more windows style idioms > > > you put in a GWT application the more signals you are giving the user > > > that "This app works like a desktop app" so you find yourself on a > > > slippery slope of having to make *everything* emulate the desktop > > > style to meet that expectation. Very expensive to write and > > > performance sapping. > > > > On the other hand your users might equally say "Ah ha, this app works > > > like a web app. It works really fast too. Cool". Ask yourself why > > > Google didn't copy Outlook when they designed GMail's UI. > > > > regards > > > gregor > > > > On Dec 7, 3:25 am, "Ian Bambury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Desktop apps are styled by the OS to fit the look and feel. You don't > > get > > >> many desktop app designers. Some, but not many. No one asks for VB and > > >> PhotoShop. > > >> People don't expect web sites to look exactly like a Mac. Especially not > > on > > >> a Windows machine. > > > >> HTML doesn't come with a standard (or any) look. Nor does JavaScript. > > And > > >> GWT is HTML and JavaScript. > > > >> And no-one wants their web site to look exactly like someone else's. > > > >> Sorry, but I think you are going to have to let your creative flair > > loose. > > >> You might even get to like it. > > > >> Ian > > > >>http://examples.roughian.com > > > >> 2008/12/7 David Hoffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> > Well I'm new to GWT and I don't know CSS. > > > >> > What I would like is CSS for the standard GWT widgets & panels that > > >> > would give some some standard look (such as a Windows platform look). > > >> > I applied one of the standard GWT themes and it helped some, > > >> > especially menus but buttons, trees, etc look quite bad. > > > >> > As another example, I would like DialogBox panels to have a > > >> > frame/window around them; currently there is no frame so they don't > > >> > don't even look like a modal frame with a caption bar that you can > > >> > drag around, etc. Essentially I would like the GUI to look like a > > >> > Windows or Mac application. With this look I can begin to show the > > >> > application to gain acceptance of GWT, with the current look they are > > >> > not likely to be impressed. > > > >> > I would have thought someone would have created standard CSS for this. > > >> > Perhaps I don't understand how CSS works in GWT. > > > >> > -Dave > > > >> > On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Arthur Kalmenson < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > What do you mean provide simple information? The standard theme > > gives > > >> > > you some basic GWT themes while you work through your application. > > The > > >> > > CSS class for each widget is available in the Javadoc. > > > >> > > -- > > >> > > Arthur Kalmenson > > > >> > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:50 AM, dhoffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > >> > >> I'm coming from a Java background and new to GWT and I don't know > > >> > >> CSS. Is there some sample/basic CSS available I can use until I am > > >> > >> able to get up-to-speed on CSS? > > > >> > >> I am using <inherits > > >> > >> name='com.google.gwt.user.theme.standard.Standard'/> in my xml file > > >> > >> but that only seems to provide very basic style information. > > > >> > >> Does someone have some standard/simple CSS available for standard > > GWT > > >> > >> widgets/panels? > > > >> > >> -Dave --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Web-Toolkit?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
