Thanks for stating the obvious, I hadn't seen that web site yet.
Okay, I have a couple of CSS newbie questions.
1. What are calls like
disabledButton.ensureDebugId("cwBasicButton-disabled") for? This
isn't a Java like thing.
2. Where do I paste the CSS Style code?
Thanks!
-Dave
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:45 AM, tomato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
> I'm new too, I don't know much about GWT. I'll risk stating the
> obvious here, but I think the Google sample CSS templates can maybe
> get you started? They are pretty standard google looks. :)
> http://gwt.google.com/samples/Showcase/Showcase.html
>
> Cheers,
> tomato
>
> On Dec 7, 7:17 am, "Ian Bambury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> You are not really going to get what you want with any web language although
>> some of the frameworks will let you look like all the other sites that use
>> that framework, and the 'instant web site' and 'web site in a box'
>> applications will let you choose from a number of themes.
>>
>> Desktop apps have a look and feel because they are extending the OS and for
>> a long time you had no choice as to what they looked like, you could only
>> move stuff around the window - even the widgets were/are standard like the
>> file-picker in VB et al. There's more freedom in the web, but the price is
>> that you have to do a bit of work.
>>
>> GWT *does* let you 'just use Java'. You are picking a very specific use of
>> Java and saying you can't use it like that. Like complaining that you can't
>> use a pencil for sketching because it doesn't draw circles properly like it
>> does when it's in a compass :-)
>>
>> GWT aims to let you write Java and get JavaScript - it does that. It doesn't
>> claim to have you write Java and get CSS or images.
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> http://examples.roughian.com
>>
>> 2008/12/7 David Hoffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Hi Gregor,
>>
>> > Thanks for the reply. I don't disagree with what you say, I'm sure I
>> > do need to learn CSS and specifically how GWT makes use of it.
>>
>> > However I do want to point out that I think Google missed it a little
>> > in this area. The fundamental selling point of GWT for us at least is
>> > that we can stay with our well known programing language/technique
>> > (Java) and write a high quality web app as well. Actually in our case
>> > we are taking it one step further our app is implemented in both Swing
>> > and GWT. The Swing & GWT UI layers are as thin as possible, all the
>> > business logic is shared between both implementations. You can think
>> > of our app as a pure MVC app where the M & C are shared and only the
>> > view is separate code.
>>
>> > However since GWT did not let us set the L&L in Java code its not
>> > really true that you can just use Java. Perhaps there are reasons for
>> > this I will understand when I learn CSS but I would have preferred
>> > that GWT provide some satisfactory L&L right out of the box and also
>> > allow developers to write specialized CSS.
>>
>> > You are right that web apps don't typically behave like platform apps
>> > (Windows, Mac), I was only using those as examples. The simple GWT
>> > style could be something else.
>>
>> > I will check out Ian's web site and see if I can get up to speed on CSS
>> > quickly.
>>
>> > -Dave
>>
>> > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 6:32 AM, gregor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > > Hi Dave,
>>
>> > > I think you really need to get to grips with CSS, the HTML box model
>> > > and learn to use GIMP/Photoshop to work effectively with GWT - or hire
>> > > a graphic designer to get you off the ground. As Ian says, you get the
>> > > L&F for free in Swing, SWT or .NET, but you don't in javascript/HTML
>>
>> > > JS libraries with GWT wrappers like the Ext family and SmartGWT offer
>> > > out of the box windows L&F and widget sets. But this comes at a heavy
>> > > price in terms of performance since it all has to be meticulously
>> > > drawn in HTML bit by teeny bit. They may look very pretty, but your
>> > > users will soon tire of that if they have to wait seconds for the app
>> > > to respond every time they click a button.
>>
>> > > I would revisit your UI design strategy and assumptions. IMO you do
>> > > not need to slavishly follow windows idioms to write a good business
>> > > application UI in GWT - and GWT apps work like greased lightning if
>> > > you don't. You just need to think out of the box and play to javacript/
>> > > DHTML and the browser's strengths rather than fight against the grain
>> > > of how they work.
>>
>> > > Another thing to consider is that most everyone knows the difference
>> > > between a desktop app and a web app - they use both every day - so
>> > > they are comfortable with both styles. The more windows style idioms
>> > > you put in a GWT application the more signals you are giving the user
>> > > that "This app works like a desktop app" so you find yourself on a
>> > > slippery slope of having to make *everything* emulate the desktop
>> > > style to meet that expectation. Very expensive to write and
>> > > performance sapping.
>>
>> > > On the other hand your users might equally say "Ah ha, this app works
>> > > like a web app. It works really fast too. Cool". Ask yourself why
>> > > Google didn't copy Outlook when they designed GMail's UI.
>>
>> > > regards
>> > > gregor
>>
>> > > On Dec 7, 3:25 am, "Ian Bambury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >> Desktop apps are styled by the OS to fit the look and feel. You don't
>> > get
>> > >> many desktop app designers. Some, but not many. No one asks for VB and
>> > >> PhotoShop.
>> > >> People don't expect web sites to look exactly like a Mac. Especially not
>> > on
>> > >> a Windows machine.
>>
>> > >> HTML doesn't come with a standard (or any) look. Nor does JavaScript.
>> > And
>> > >> GWT is HTML and JavaScript.
>>
>> > >> And no-one wants their web site to look exactly like someone else's.
>>
>> > >> Sorry, but I think you are going to have to let your creative flair
>> > loose.
>> > >> You might even get to like it.
>>
>> > >> Ian
>>
>> > >>http://examples.roughian.com
>>
>> > >> 2008/12/7 David Hoffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> > >> > Well I'm new to GWT and I don't know CSS.
>>
>> > >> > What I would like is CSS for the standard GWT widgets & panels that
>> > >> > would give some some standard look (such as a Windows platform look).
>> > >> > I applied one of the standard GWT themes and it helped some,
>> > >> > especially menus but buttons, trees, etc look quite bad.
>>
>> > >> > As another example, I would like DialogBox panels to have a
>> > >> > frame/window around them; currently there is no frame so they don't
>> > >> > don't even look like a modal frame with a caption bar that you can
>> > >> > drag around, etc. Essentially I would like the GUI to look like a
>> > >> > Windows or Mac application. With this look I can begin to show the
>> > >> > application to gain acceptance of GWT, with the current look they are
>> > >> > not likely to be impressed.
>>
>> > >> > I would have thought someone would have created standard CSS for this.
>> > >> > Perhaps I don't understand how CSS works in GWT.
>>
>> > >> > -Dave
>>
>> > >> > On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Arthur Kalmenson <
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > >> > wrote:
>>
>> > >> > > What do you mean provide simple information? The standard theme
>> > gives
>> > >> > > you some basic GWT themes while you work through your application.
>> > The
>> > >> > > CSS class for each widget is available in the Javadoc.
>>
>> > >> > > --
>> > >> > > Arthur Kalmenson
>>
>> > >> > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:50 AM, dhoffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > >> > >> I'm coming from a Java background and new to GWT and I don't know
>> > >> > >> CSS. Is there some sample/basic CSS available I can use until I am
>> > >> > >> able to get up-to-speed on CSS?
>>
>> > >> > >> I am using <inherits
>> > >> > >> name='com.google.gwt.user.theme.standard.Standard'/> in my xml file
>> > >> > >> but that only seems to provide very basic style information.
>>
>> > >> > >> Does someone have some standard/simple CSS available for standard
>> > GWT
>> > >> > >> widgets/panels?
>>
>> > >> > >> -Dave
>
> >
>
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