I wanted to comment on the project vs people aspect. I agree with Monica that there is a difference. I use countries as a metaphor. There is Mozilla the organization which is some sort of entity, then there are citizens of Mozilla (mozillians) who make up that organization and contribute to it, but are individuals.
Thinking about government, just because a sitting politician says something doesn't necessarily mean that is the position of the government as a whole or even of the party the belong to. The laws and policies of the country are how the country speaks for itself, and a politician communicating those laws and policies is then speaking on behalf of the country. The politician talking about how they would change the law or problems with the law is speaking as a citizen. We actually want this distinction in Mozilla. While we want to be all recognized as parts of Mozilla, we want to be able to speak and give our opinions and dissent and we want people to understand that we are speaking as part of Mozilla, but not *for* Mozilla. Otherwise we would have a lot more cases of PR pulling out their hair and people getting lots of emails saying we can't say this and that on behalf of Mozilla because it contradicts policy. I think it would be kinda cool actually if staff got @mozillians.org by default and we did keep @mozilla.x addresses for communication that represents Mozilla. Though I also get that it would be less effective than giving out @mozilla.org addresses to all. On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Axel Hecht <[email protected]> wrote: > On 10/26/13 1:51 AM, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: > >> >> On 10/25/13, 10:30 AM, Monica Chew wrote: >> >>> Hi Benjamin, >>> >>> I think it's a wonderful idea to give Reps and other contributors >>> email addresses. Can I suggest mozillians.org instead of mozilla.org, >>> though? mozilla.org is not sufficiently distinguishable from >>> mozilla.com to avoid confusing paid staff from not, and Mozillian has >>> the benefit of sounding like a person-descriptor. >>> >>> I should also point out that in the future, it may become very >>> important to be able to distinguish official email from Mozilla as a >>> project, versus someone who is affiliated with Mozilla (as paid staff >>> or not). Anti-phishing standards such as DMARC are much easier to >>> adopt when an organization can separate mail by function into >>> different domains. Widening the mozilla.{org,com} namespace makes this >>> problem worse. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Monica >>> >> >> Hello Monica, >> >> So this discussion has been ongoing outside of Moz Gov for some time now >> (a couple years) and the idea to have @mozillians.org addresses was >> offered as a suggestion but generally the consensus among community and >> even staff who were involved in those discussions seemed to lean towards >> mozillians.org. >> >> I do appreciate the concern of not adding confusion between staff and >> community contributors but to be honest I think that confusion already >> exists and probably would not be amplified by using the mozilla.org >> namespace. I know I get asked quite frequently whether I work for >> Mozilla (A staff member actually asked me today) and I know that >> question is not unique and is common for community contributors. >> >> mozilla.org historically has not been a namespace used by staff from >> what I understand but instead was mostly for MoFo but now that has >> expanded some? >> > > I don't think we've handed out @mozilla.org email addresses in the last > 10-ish years. [email protected] was the operational group running the > mozilla project before the Foundation existed. In the short period when the > Foundation existed and the Corporation did not, hires at that time probably > got @mozilla.org addresses, too. > > I joined shortly after the Corporation was incorporated, and at that > point, @mozilla.org addresses weren't given out anymore. Even for > functional stuff like l10n@. > > Axel > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>>> Hello Governance, >>>> >>>> I'm writing today to put forward the following proposal for @ >>>> mozilla.org >>>> email addresses for Mozilla Reps as outlined here: >>>> https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:**Mrz/mozilla-org<https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Mrz/mozilla-org> >>>> >>>> Additionally, I would like to highlight the following policy that the >>>> ReMo Council has put together in regards to email addresses for ReMo: >>>> https://remo.etherpad.mozilla.**org/email-policy<https://remo.etherpad.mozilla.org/email-policy> >>>> >>>> These proposals and proposed policies have been the work of both >>>> community contributors and staff and I think adding email addresses as a >>>> tool for contributors would be beneficial and add authenticity to >>>> discussions community contributors often have with third parties >>>> including universities, media and developers they engage with in order >>>> to further the goals of Mozilla. >>>> >>>> Many other open source projects already have practices of doing this >>>> (Ubuntu: @ubuntu.com, Debian: @debian.org, GNOME: @gnome.org and so >>>> on). >>>> >>>> Let's start a discussion on this and see where it goes! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sincerly, >>>> >>>> Benjamin Kerensa >>>> http://benjaminkerensa.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > governance mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.mozilla.org/**listinfo/governance<https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance> > _______________________________________________ governance mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
