+1 Henrik. Answering 'why' is very important (to understand the reasons for this kind of agreements).
-Alina On 30 May 2014 23:34, Henrik Mitsch <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I agree with most of the concerns voiced in this thread. > > In the initial email David wrote: > > To help new contributors understand more about what they're getting > involved with, we've drafted a new volunteer agreement. > > If this is the real reason for the agreement, we should emphasize positive > aspects. Mozilla is a fun place to be at! Let's search for a concise, > positive way to describe that. > > I am wondering if there are also other reasons for the agreement. Do we > want or need to cover legal aspects? > > If we agree on the "why" (i.e. reason for the agreement) I am sure we will > find a good way of conveying that message in a volunteer agreement. > > Regards, > Henrik > > -- > Henrik Mitsch > > > On 30.05.2014, at 21:43, Majken Connor <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I'm wondering if we're misunderstanding the purpose of this agreement, or > > maybe people are approaching it from different angles? > > > > It seems worded to me to address the need to have a formal agreement when > > we want to give certain responsibilities to volunteer contributors. We're > > missing something generic like this, and this is partly why it's much > > easier to give Reps responsibilities and include them without being able > to > > give the same trust and responsibility to other volunteers. > > > > Especially the part where you need to notify or get notified that you're > no > > longer contributing, that seems incredibly overkill if this is a general > > understanding between Mozilla and volunteers, but it makes perfect sense > if > > it's in the context that we've just given a volunteer a responsibility or > > leadership role. > > > > > >> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Emma Irwin <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> This feels exclusionary of casual contributors, of which there are many. > >> > >> I'm assuming they wouldn't even know who to contact when ending > >> contribution - does that mean I can't come back? I also prefer this > >> wording which uses the term 'participation' rather than 'work'. > >> > >> The contributor has turned up because, more than likely they feel > connected > >> to a specific piece of the project - they're excited. Onboarding should > >> feel less like you're starting a new job, more like opportunity to make > a > >> difference and contribute. +1 to citizenship. > >> > >> I would also warn that legalize in such a contract will concern those > with > >> work visas. Original version made me feel uncomfortable as well. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Sheeri Cabral <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I agree with what others have said, and I'll throw in an alternative > >> idea. > >>> > >>> Here's some changes I made, taking out redundancies (e.g. behaving > >>> appropriately is covered under the participation guidelines), and > putting > >>> the "you can end your participation" part at the end. Because that's > not > >>> the first thing we should tell a new person, in my opinion. > >>> > >>> -------------- > >>> > >>> DRAFT Volunteer Agreement > >>> > >>> Welcome to Mozilla! We're pleased that you will be working with us to > >>> volunteer your expertise, knowledge, and skills to our Project. We are > >>> happy to have you along as a Mozillian. > >>> > >>> Before we begin, you might want to be aware of the following: > >>> > >>> 1. Mozillians behave in a professional and respectable manner when > >>> participating in the Project. Mozilla's Participation Guidelines can be > >>> found at > >>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/governance/policies/participation/ > >>> > >>> 2. Legally, you are not an employee or contractor of Mozilla and should > >>> not represent yourself as such. As a volunteer, you cannot bind Mozilla > >> to > >>> any agreements or sign any agreements on behalf of Mozilla. > >>> > >>> 3. We love it when people talk about their contributions to Mozilla! > >>> However, Mozilla does own some trademarks, so please do not use logos > or > >>> trademarks inappropriately. Mozilla's trademark policy can be found at > >>> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/trademarks/policy/ > >>> > >>> 4. You or Mozilla may end your participation at any time for any reason > >> on > >>> immediate notice. If you wish to end your participation, simply let us > >> know. > >>> > >>> We are excited to have you on board and hear your creative ideas! > >>> > >>> > >>> -------------- > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: [email protected] > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 1:11:02 PM > >>> Subject: Creating a volunteer agreement > >>> > >>> One of Mozilla's goals for this year is to increase the number of > active > >>> contributors by 10x. That means that many new people will be joining > the > >>> community and we want to make sure they have a positive experience. > >>> > >>> A few teams have contributor agreements that provide details about what > >> it > >>> means to volunteer in that specific area, but there's never been > >>> information that covers contributors in general. > >>> > >>> To help new contributors understand more about what they're getting > >>> involved with, we've drafted a new volunteer agreement. I wanted to > share > >>> the text of that and talk about how we would make this available. > >>> > >>> First though, I'd like to be clear about a couple of points: > >>> > >>> * This is not intended to be a document that people will sign. > >>> > >>> * This is not something that applies to existing contributors, just to > >> new > >>> people who are joining the community. > >>> > >>> After sharing the text of this here, on Planet and at an upcoming > Monday > >>> project call, we'd like to add this text as a new page on > >>> http://www.mozilla.org. > >>> > >>> We would then link to that from the Get Involved page ( > >>> mozilla.org/contribute), the entry point for most new contributors. We > >>> would add this to the existing opt-in on the form that references > >> Mozilla's > >>> Privacy Policy. > >>> > >>> Please take a look at the text below and share your thoughts on that > and > >>> on how we would make this available to new contributors. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> David > >>> > >>> ----------------- > >>> > >>> DRAFT Volunteer Agreement > >>> > >>> Welcome to Mozilla! We're pleased that you will be working with us to > >>> volunteer your expertise, knowledge, and skills to our Project. > >>> > >>> Before we begin, there are some basic terms you should be aware of and > >>> agree to. The following is an agreement between you and Mozilla that > >>> describes your volunteer work with the Project: > >>> > >>> 1. You or Mozilla may end this Agreement at any time for any reason on > >>> immediate notice. If you wish to end the Agreement, simply email a > >> Mozilla > >>> staff member to let us know. > >>> > >>> 2. As a volunteer for our Project, you will be working with Mozilla > >> staff, > >>> employees and other volunteers. > >>> > >>> 3. We have policies at Mozilla to protect the Project and you. While > >>> working with us, we want you to be creative and help us to grow the > >>> Project, while observing the following rules: > >>> > >>> a. As a volunteer, you cannot bind Mozilla to any agreements or sign > any > >>> agreements on behalf of Mozilla, but you can introduce Mozilla to > >> different > >>> ideas, processes and ways of doing things; > >>> > >>> b. You are not an employee or contractor of Mozilla and should not > >>> represent yourself as such; > >>> > >>> c. You cannot engage in any activities that violate the laws of your > >>> locale, Mozilla's policies, or the rights of any group or individual; > >>> > >>> d. You agree to behave in a professional and respectable manner when > >>> acting as a Mozilla volunteer. Mozilla's Participation Guidelines can > be > >>> found at > >>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/governance/policies/participation/; > >>> > >>> e. It's definitely okay to talk about your contributions to Mozilla, > but > >>> you should not use Mozilla's logo or trademarks without Mozilla's prior > >>> written consent. Mozilla's trademark policy can be found at > >>> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/trademarks/policy/; and > >>> > >>> f. This Agreement is about you and only you. You may not transfer or > give > >>> this to any other person or group. > >>> > >>> g. If you violate any of these rules, Mozilla has the right to end this > >>> agreement and your volunteer activities. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> governance mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> governance mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Emma Irwin > >> @sunnydeveloper > >> Mozilla Reps Council Member > >> _______________________________________________ > >> governance mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance > > _______________________________________________ > > governance mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance > _______________________________________________ > governance mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance > -- Alina Mierlus @alina_mierlus _______________________________________________ governance mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
