I agree that the new version is *much* better than the previous version. A couple of points:
- The "you agree" part still feels strange. What happens if somebody doesn't agree to one or more rules? What happens if they violate one or more of the rules? - At what point would this agreement be shown to new volunteers? Or is it just implicit, like the code of conduct? Nick On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 9:58 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 6:27:45 AM UTC-7, Geoffrey MacDougall wrote: >> This is great. And decidedly less legalistic than other volunteer >> >> agreements in place at other non profits I've worked at in the past. >> >> >> >> G. >> >> On Jul 23, 2014 2:55 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Hi All - >> >> > >> >> > Thank you for all of the feedback and input on the agreement. The intent >> >> > of the document really is to establish the rules of the road for both sides >> >> > as we enter into what we hope to be a very collaborative, long term and >> >> > healthy relationship. We already rules for paid staff that establishes how >> >> > we work together. I think it is a positive step to create some rules that >> >> > we can hold one another to as we work to support the Project. >> >> > >> >> > On the substance, we've taken the feedback that it seemed one-sided and >> >> > legalistic and we have improved it. To sustain a healthy Project we need to >> >> > have engagement from not only paid staff but also our diverse group of >> >> > volunteers. We don't want this document to be a blocker to any of that - >> >> > rather it is an agreement about how we are going to treat one another, >> >> > respect one another and work together. There was some suggestion in this >> >> > thread that the document will not be enforceable - from our standpoint it >> >> > will be. There are some legal parts to it - but there are just as many >> >> > social pieces. We want to sustain the healthy relationship that we have >> >> > with our community and our volunteers. >> >> > >> >> > Take a look below. >> >> > >> >> > Thanks for the time. >> >> > >> >> > Denelle >> >> > >> >> > **** >> >> > >> >> > The success of our mission depends on the participation of people like you >> >> > -- people who are as passionate about the Web as we are, generously >> >> > volunteering their expertise, knowledge and skills to the Mozilla Project. >> >> > >> >> > In order to make your experience the best possible, here are a few "rules >> >> > of the road" to review before we get going. Please read through them and >> >> > let us know if you have questions or something just doesn't make sense. >> >> > >> >> > As a volunteer Mozillian, you will have the opportunity to make meaningful >> >> > contributions, to learn, to meet other amazing humans, and to receive >> >> > mentorship and recognition for your participation. In return, you agree to >> >> > help us advance the principles of the our Manifesto to the best of your >> >> > ability. >> >> > >> >> > Our community is like our extended family; we won't agree on everything or >> >> > always get along, but do treat each other with dignity and respect at all >> >> > times. As a volunteer, you agree to do that too. Our Participation >> >> > Guidelines are a good place to learn more about what this means and what to >> >> > do if you ever feel like you're not being treated this way. >> >> > >> >> > Being a volunteer at Mozilla means you freely donate your time, ideas, >> >> > heartbeats, etc. to help us accomplish our mission. You agree that you are >> >> > here because you are passionate about the Web and have no expectation of >> >> > compensation. >> >> > >> >> > We'd love for you to talk about your experience with Mozilla. If, during >> >> > your time with us, you want to use any of our logos when you do that, you >> >> > agree to check out our Style Guide first, to make sure you use the right >> >> > one (and don't mistakenly violate our Trademark Policy). >> >> > >> >> > You agree to challenge the status quo, to cause a ruckus -- but never in a >> >> > way that violates local laws, our internal policies or the rights of any >> >> > group or individual. >> >> > >> >> > And finally, as a volunteer, you agree that you won't be able to bind >> >> > Mozilla to agreements or sign anything on our behalf. You also agree to >> >> > represent yourself as a volunteer rather than as an employee, intern or >> >> > contractor of Mozilla. >> >> > >> >> > That's it. Now let's get started. >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > governance mailing list >> >> > [email protected] >> >> > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance >> >> > > > I've been closely following this thread for the past month (?) and, at some > point (not sure exactly when), I decided I might be able to help. After > re-reading the discussion in an attempt to distill down the issues, I was > reminded of a blog post I'd recently read called "They're your words, choose > them." > > http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2014/04/theyre-your-words-choose-them.html > > Sharing this post is not my way of saying that anyone involved in the > original writing intended to come off as a "harsh jerk". Rather, it (the > discussion here + that blog post) prompted me to try to help; to take a stab > at a bit of a re-write. My thinking was to choose words that might better > reflect Mozilla and our intention with this document. > > The result was what Denelle posted above. To me (and I'm decidedly biased), > it now reads more like "...an agreement about how we are going to treat one > another, respect one another and work together." and is something I would > agree to, happily. > > ~ Mardi > _______________________________________________ > governance mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance _______________________________________________ governance mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
