On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Ehsan Akhgari <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2015-05-22 7:38 PM, Adam Roach wrote: > >> On 5/22/15 17:59, Mike Connor wrote: >> >>> Can you name an example that would actually be widely controversial? >>> >> >> Perhaps the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic -- I'd have to brush up on >> Moroccan politics to be sure. >> > > OK, so let's say that someone living in that region wants to be identified > as living in SADR. Why is that not OK? And why is it up to us to decide > that? And why would Mozilla care if the said individual wants to be > identified as living in the SADR or in Morocco? > > If not, I don't think this is a material concern. >>> >> >> Can you predict the entire worldwide political landscape for the rest of >> the lifetime of the project? >> > > Nobody can, but what is the point of this question? > > There are some very plausible, very near-term futures where an alternate >> government that currently controls parts of what are widely recognized >> as Iraq, Syria, Libya, and Nigeria begins to establish diplomatic >> relations with other countries. It isn't hard to believe that, much like >> the gradual diplomatic acceptance of the PRC in the '50's and '60's, >> such an entity might gain recognition by a non-trivial percentage of UN >> member states. >> >> And that? That would be controversial. >> > > It seems like you're optimizing for a different goal than some others in > this thread: avoiding making controversial decisions, and your solution is > to hand that off to another organization (the ISO.) > > Let me just talk about one of the most controversial cases for a second: > ISIL, since you've mentioned it up-thread. Let's say that there are people > who self-identify as ISIL citizens, and they would like to be part of the > Mozilla community. What is the harm in allowing that individual to > self-identify as such for the purposes of their Mozilla contributions? > > I think this debate simply boils down to what goal we're trying to achieve > here. If our goal is avoiding controversy at all costs, then your > suggestion makes sense. But I would like to suggest that our goal should > be building a strong community that is open and welcoming to all, no matter > which part of the world they were born in, and live in, and how they > identify where in the world they live. With that goal in mind, off-loading > this decision to ISO makes no sense, since that is effectively Mozilla > taking a stance on what is and is not a country, and taking away the > ability of our contributors to make this call. > Well, it's worth noting that this thread started (going on two weeks ago now) when someone complained about someone else using "Prishtina - Kosovo - Albania" as their location. I suspect that the person complaining didn't feel like we were fostering a welcoming environment. -Ekr _______________________________________________ governance mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
